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To think that since covid happened some businesses have 'got lazy and stayed lazy'

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Ilovechocolate87 · 12/11/2022 23:01

DH and i used to have an expression a couple of years back 'because covid' which we used when we thought a company was just using the virus as an excuse for not doing something properly or making unnecessary cutbacks.

But even now it seems that this is STILL continuing, but for no legitimate reason!

Some examples include;
-Our local bank shutting at 3pm...every day of the week.Crap for 9-5 working people like DH!

  • No fireworks display at center parcs, which is a shame as it was really good and atmospheric over the lake.
  • Soft play at our local sealife centre sitting there unused and wasted...such a shame as there is nothing wrong with it.
  • Fitting rooms have been scrapped at sainsburys and asda (maybe elsewhere too?) so there is nowhere to try on clothes, resulting in either having to order online and have the expense and bother of posting it back if its not right (which it often isn't) or travelling to return it, neither of which are very good for the environment either, with all that plastic packaging and fuel!)

Has anyone else noticed that it just seems like SOME businesses/companies 'can't be bothered' anymore and are just doing the minimum possible? And the most frustrating thing is that as usual, they make the cutbacks, but the prices keep on going up!!

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DdraigGoch · 13/11/2022 00:21

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 12/11/2022 23:31

Yes I absolutely agree and so does DH. He wants to go to a barber but they are all by appointment now and full ages in advance.
Ridiculous

I hate that. You used to walk into a barber's shop on a whim, take a seat with the half-dozen other people and wait your turn. I could drop in there after an early shift no problem. Now I have to plan everything in advance, so if work finishes early I have to hang around, whereas if work finishes late I've missed the appointment.

DdraigGoch · 13/11/2022 00:24

PauliesWalnuts · 12/11/2022 23:48

Unfortunately I’m in the Waitrose-free wasteland that is north Manchester @CaptaNoctem 😞

If you ever go on a day trip to Chester, there's an excellent cheesemonger around the corner from the town hall.

PinkPupZ · 13/11/2022 00:28

Shocking service from banks
DVLA
Queens Bench Division

fairywhale · 13/11/2022 00:33

Some nurseries and many schools still act like prisons, making you drop kids at the gate or door, and not allowing parents settle the kids in, whether they are three months or three years. Particularly harmful considering the younger ages of the kids.

ALongHardWinter · 13/11/2022 00:43

Totally agree. I've been if this opinion for about a year now.

Whattodo182 · 13/11/2022 00:46

lovelyweathertoday · 12/11/2022 23:48

That's nonsense. Working from home doesn't mean you can't take calls!

It does when everyone's decided to keep their kids out of nursery and "wfh" with their darlings present....

Foolsandtheirmoney · 13/11/2022 00:49

gingerscot · 13/11/2022 00:07

Most of these things (but not all!) are actually staffing issues caused by brexit, not Covid. Not having staff to man changing rooms, grottos, soft play, wash cups, see patients etc. Not an excuse for the magazines and everything leisure related by appointment though!

I was going to say this but I know mumsnet doesn't like it. Brexit happened at the same time as covid.

ifoundthebread · 13/11/2022 00:53

My local sainsbury's has fitting rooms which are now back open to use and have been for a few months now. Asda unfortunately do not, they advise you to buy the item, try it on in the toilets then return if no good.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 13/11/2022 00:54

You are 100% correct.

Im getting sick of mardy arse waiting and shop staff gruffing at me because I have the nerve to shop in a place where they work.

I understand that during COVID that online booking was convenient to control numbers but I now hate having to book online for everywhere, especially when I know a place is only gonna have 3 people in it - so when I rock up I can’t just buy tickets over the counter (looking at you local soft play)

Customer service on the phone is shocking too. I strongly suspect that since so much moved to home working that a lot of people are having naps when they should be logging on (and according to MNland it’s v common to work only 2 hours a day at home even if you’re contracted to full time).

Whattodo182 · 13/11/2022 00:57

Maverickess · 13/11/2022 00:07

⬆️⬆️⬆️ this I think is a big part of it, and for as much as we heard about the 'power hungry staff' in places, customers for the most part were quite frankly fucking horrible and abusive, and that doesn't help with recruiting staff and keeping them, and sadly that attitude continues more than ever compared with before covid.

You reap what you sew and this is happening now with the general attitude that customer service staff are there to stroke egos, blame for anything that you take a dislike to and bear the brunt of people's anger and frustration.

Businesses have learned ways to save money, that would have cost them money before covid and they also had to operate with less staff because they couldn't have as many in the same place due to social distancing, and even if they wanted to/could afford to employ more people, who on earth wants to work in a job where you are treated like crap?

These roles have been devalued more and more over recent years and that was increased with covid and now the COL, turns out they're pretty important though eh? Considering the complaining going on when there's less service on offer than some would like.

Very few people think these jobs are in any way important or worth respect, yet are quick to complain when the service level drops in response to that attitude.

This. All day.
I work in hospitality as a senior manager and the attitude of some people from lockdown to when I went on maternity was quite frankly disgusting. I work for a good company that pays well, great perks, tips etc and team members left in their absolute droves due to the treatment of 'paying customers'. It's shameful

Funnily it's now the same people moaning that there's long waits or slow service who spoke to people like shit back in 2020 🤷🏼‍♀️

tillytown · 13/11/2022 01:03

To the people who want the Sainsburys deli back, it's not coming back. All the deli staff, and most of the hot food staff, were fired, and they aren't reopening the delis as they "didn't make any money and the customers didn't use them" - if you have ever been in a Sainsburys with a deli, you'll know that that is a lie. The real reason is because they now have sushi bars in-store and wanted to drive customers there instead

sleepwouldbenice · 13/11/2022 01:03

nottodaytomorrow · 12/11/2022 23:11

Yep the NHS - sorry absolutely not sorry and not here to argue or debate it.

So the concepts of backlogs and lack of staff have just not registered with you?
Pretty dumb then, sorry not sorry and not hear to argue or debate it
Maybe you could work for the nhs and just sort it out

CurlyhairedAssassin · 13/11/2022 01:15

PurpleButterflyWings · 12/11/2022 23:33

100% agree @Ilovechocolate87 The doctors, and dentists are a good example. But also many other 'services.' SO SICK of them STILL blaming covid. My friend needs face to face appointments with a specialist for the condition she has, and she has had ONE since October 2019. (December 2021 actually.) They keep saying they are behind 'because covid.' I - and many people I know - also have a struggle to get a GP appointment, and 3 times out of 4, you have a 35-40 minute wait for them to answer the phone.

Also, 2 banks in our local market town high street have cut hours too, and one is closing for good in January. We will have just ONE bank left then. I think they wanted to cut staff/close branches/cut hours, and covid has given them a good reason to do it. There is a minimum 15 minute wait to get served EVERY TIME you go in. I have heard the Argos store is for the chop next. The closest one to me then will be 18 miles away.

Then we have queues everywhere... In person, and on the phone. SO ridiculously hard to get to speak to a PERSON on the phone these days. The DVLA, my catalogue, my insurance company, my energy provider. 20 to 30 minutes on the phone sometimes, and I can't get anyone to answer! And even when I do, the person doesn't know what they are on about and cannot help me, as they just have the basic script in front of them to read off!

And as for Hermes/Evri. IMPOSSIBLE to EVER get anyone to speak to there! Same if you call big chain stores. IMPOSSIBLE to get to speak to the person you want, or to even get a person to answer the phone.

And don't even get me STARTED on the shops and stores who don't have half the stock you want, and have shelves 30-40% empty most of the time. Why? Because Brexit, because covid, because lorry driver strikes, because Ukraine war, because staff shortages. ALWAYS AN EXCUSE.

In addition.... Skyrocketing fuel and energy prices, because of the Ukraine war, apparently. Prices of Food and household goods and services skyrocketing over and over!!! WHY?!!!!!!!!!

SICK of it now. I don't believe for a SECOND that they all need to put up the prices so high - petrol, gas and electric, (OR food and household goods!) And I genuinely believe we are being mugged off/fucked over. What can we do to stop it? Or prove we ARE being fucked over. FUCK ALL! That's what!

THEN there's the passport office, and the DVLA.. SHOCKING service this past 3 years. And also post office delays because of strikes, and peoples landlords delaying repair work because of shortage of staff/workers. No shortage of staff when it comes to collecting the rent though funnily enough. Hmm

All of this makes me want to fall off the planet some days, honestly. I am SO SICK of it all, and don't see it getting better anytime soon. There seems to be no end to this shit.

Well, your post appears a bit ranty at first but honestly, it's just how I feel too. Everything is a battle. Everything. I work so hard, for shit wages, and I end up trying to do basic things like speak to someone about my high blood pressure on my mobile in my office at work with the public phone ringing, colleagues coming in and out and clients in Reception waiting to see me. I had to keep telling the GP "sorry, I just have to answer this phone", which must have been as frustrating for them as it was for me. It was farcical in the end, considering I was phoning about my blood pressure - the irony of having to discuss it in those circumstances....

I also need blood tests as a result of that conversation. Before COVID it was walk in, you took a ticket at the clinic and were usually seen, blood taken within half an hour at the latest, sometimes just 10 mins if you were lucky. Now you have to ring up to make an appointment, and the wait currently is 2-3 weeks. For a blood test..... You're not telling me that ALL the phlebotomists resigned duringi COVID......????

I went out for lunch recently. The food was lovely and the service was pleasant but god, everything took soooooooo long. There were only 2 waiting staff on, and one person at the bar. This was a restaurant, not a tiny cafe. We were there a good couple of hours it was all so slow.

I'm fed up of long waits on the phone to any customer services and I'm convinced it's because of home working too. No-one checks on a lot of homeworking staff, I don't think. Half of them sound very demotivated and switched off when you do manage to get through. They just need to get back in the office,, half of them, because it still feels like they're in lockdown working from home mode.

cocktailclub · 13/11/2022 01:26

Totally agree.
I think some used it to stop doing things that cost more or took more time or were unpopular amongst staff.

In many cases I think these changes increased efficiency or profit. Although maybe decreased customer satisfaction.
In the case of GPS it has become a joke. The true cost of their reluctance to see anyone who is unwell will only be known in years to come when cancer deaths increase, preventable serious illness increases etc.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 13/11/2022 01:36

Foolsandtheirmoney · 13/11/2022 00:49

I was going to say this but I know mumsnet doesn't like it. Brexit happened at the same time as covid.

I'm in an area which didn't have a huge amount of foreign staff before Brexit anyway so I don't think staffing issues is down to that where I am. What I am seeing is a lot of young and often inexperienced staff in the low paid jobs who are mainly having to still live at home with their parents because cost of living means they can't afford to move out, or move across the country to a better paid job. It's shit for them too. When I was in my early 20s I was on crap wages but at least I could afford to rent a flat with DH (then boyfriend), even if that was also a bit crap! We could still afford to go out to the pub every week or for a meal or to a gig, and all our bills were paid. I ran a little car. We had a simple, enjoyable, affordable fun life when public services worked properly.

So I guess, it will become more and more unlikely eventually that low paid jobs go unfilled. Because no-one can actually afford to work in them if they want to cut the apron springs and move out of their childhood bedroom!

Ginseng1 · 13/11/2022 01:47

Our primary school not doing an evening navity /carol service this year citing 'safety reasons' as they didn't have to do it for 2 years it's an easy 'lets not bother' regardless of religion was always a lovely evening for local parents & kids.

donttellmehesalive · 13/11/2022 03:21

I travel quite a bit with work and some hotels still aren't routinely cleaning rooms or making beds. They say it's for environmental reasons but I suppose it's staffing. Impossible to know, in many of these examples, whether the drop in service is due to staffing recruitment/retention issues or whether they intentionally cut staff to the bone during covid and are happy to continue getting away with it.

donttellmehesalive · 13/11/2022 03:22

Ginseng1 · 13/11/2022 01:47

Our primary school not doing an evening navity /carol service this year citing 'safety reasons' as they didn't have to do it for 2 years it's an easy 'lets not bother' regardless of religion was always a lovely evening for local parents & kids.

Our primary school is entirely back to normal now. Parents need to make it known that they would welcome a return to the evening performance.

Bleachmycloths · 13/11/2022 03:29

I agree 100%. The one I really hate is businesses who are still using the ‘We are experiencing an unusually high volume of calls…’ Bullshit.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/11/2022 03:33

According to the staff member in sainsbury's, closing fitting rooms is easier for the staff 🤔

FluffyMochi · 13/11/2022 03:39

I moved away from the UK a year ago and have had so many of these issues resolved as a result.

Apart from banking. Banking here is still like the banking in the UK in the 70s!

Sidking · 13/11/2022 03:42

Our local sorting office is now open 10am-12pm Monday-Saturday. That's it

ChristmasisRuined · 13/11/2022 04:04

AllLopsided · 12/11/2022 23:24

I'm looking at you Bupa Global - i pay 900 a month and you don't want to answer the phone unless it's for treatment within the next 24 hours? Every call is answered by a message saying 'the quickest way to get in touch is via our website' - utter piffle! They are encouraging emails or webchat. Webchat is ridiculous because it takes 45 mins' typing to resolve something that could have been sorted with ten minutes' actual speaking. Or you can leave a message and they get back to you hours later - OK if they understood the problem and it isn't urgent. Emails are a joke - they used to promise an answer within 24 hours and now it's more than a week. All because Covid!

Nine hundred British pounds per MONTH?!?!?!? What on earth for?!?!

ChristmasisRuined · 13/11/2022 04:05

DashboardConfessional · 12/11/2022 23:25

To be honest I think needing to pay in anything physical is quite rare now. Most people I know who are working age and can't go during the week would transfer cash on their phones. My parents and in-laws (60s and 70s) do. I reckon the last time I paid in cash was 10 years ago!

Plenty of businesses need to pay in their floats!

ChristmasisRuined · 13/11/2022 04:08

PauliesWalnuts · 12/11/2022 23:36

It’s small potatoes compared to people’s struggles with GPs and banking but I really miss the Sainsbury’s deli counter. They sold all kinds of stuff that’s not on the shelves, like rare roast beef, chicken and ham pie, and I could buy a massive wedge of St Agur instead of those stingy little packets on the shelves.

Ours still has the Deli counter? Never went away

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