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To feel Poetry has died a death in modern society?

239 replies

Marmitemother · 12/11/2022 11:00

Out of curiosity I searched MN expecting to find a topic page on poetry and literature....have I missed it somewhere?

Semi retired, children flown the nest, hubbie and I always busy with projects yet still find time to read poetry most days.

I'm wondering if others, particularly younger folk (we're in our 60's) didn't learn to appreciate poetry at school or just don't have time or the inclination to read, share and discuss compared to all else available these days (TV, phones, cinema, social media etc)

I read The Journey by Mary Oliver this morning and thought about how it spoke to many posting on the Relationship page.

“One day you finally knew
what you had to do, and began,
though the voices around you
kept shouting
their bad advice --
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
"Mend my life!"
each voice cried.
But you didn't stop.
You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations,
though their melancholy
was terrible.
It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.
But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do --
determined to save
the only life you could save.”

OP posts:
mnahmnah · 12/11/2022 11:42

Our local theatre had poetry disco last night! A poet in residence. Often poets on stage.

AnApparitionQuipped · 12/11/2022 11:46

1000yellowdaisies · 12/11/2022 11:35

Sorry that isnt true, do a quick google of the etymology of the word rap, it's not an acronym.

Slightly off-topic but most supposedly acronym-based 'etymologies' are after-the-fact inventions. It annoys me when people quote them.

Michaelmonstera · 12/11/2022 11:48

@Marmitemother In case you would like to listen to some of Kae Tempest’s poetry poetryarchive.org/poet/kae-tempest/

Rogue1001MNer · 12/11/2022 11:48

Another Brian Bilston fan here.

Fabulous AND prolific

TinFoilHatty · 12/11/2022 11:48

Only yesterday some of us were analysing Brian Bilston with a curious poster, so yeah, no poetry on MN, nope.

If you want a dedicated poetry board, do start a thread in Site Stuff. HTH.

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/11/2022 11:56

Brian Bilston's latest is heartbreaking

To feel Poetry has died a death in modern society?
SheWoreYellow · 12/11/2022 11:59

AnApparitionQuipped · 12/11/2022 11:46

Slightly off-topic but most supposedly acronym-based 'etymologies' are after-the-fact inventions. It annoys me when people quote them.

I did google to check. I guess it’s a common misconception.

SheWoreYellow · 12/11/2022 12:01

AnApparitionQuipped · 12/11/2022 11:46

Slightly off-topic but most supposedly acronym-based 'etymologies' are after-the-fact inventions. It annoys me when people quote them.

Sorry to “annoy you” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

OldWivesTale · 12/11/2022 12:02

But song lyrics and especially rap are really just poems. Whether you think they're good or not is another matter...

SoupDragon · 12/11/2022 12:07

What is a poem?

If you set it to music/rhythm does it cease to be a poem?

I was listening to Taylor Swift "Anti Hero" this week and thought what an amazing job she does of weaving words together. Surely that is what a poem is?

AnApparitionQuipped · 12/11/2022 12:12

SheWoreYellow · 12/11/2022 12:01

Sorry to “annoy you” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I phrased that badly, sorry - I didn't mean you personally, more that it's annoying they have gained currency.

EastCoker · 12/11/2022 12:14

My user name would say not!

dementedma · 12/11/2022 12:15

" The Journey" is one of my favourite poems. Has got me through some tough times. Love Mary Oliver. I love poetry in general and read it a lot

TheFarawayNearby · 12/11/2022 12:19

I love going to poetry gigs, they're filled with interesting people from lots of different walks of life.

MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 12/11/2022 12:21

Dr John Cooper Clarke is brilliant

johncooperclarke.com/poems/

RosesAndHellebores · 12/11/2022 12:25

My children loved verse and poems as infants, they continued liking it at school and do still. They are mid/late 20s.

I need to read some again.

emptythelitterbox · 12/11/2022 12:47

Rap is poetry? Haha I don't think so!

Yeah okay you need to get done done done done
That’ll work come over
We just need to slow the motion
Don’t give that away to no one
Long distance I need you
When I see potential I just gotta see it through
If you had a twin I would still choose you
I don’t wanna rush into it if it’s too soon
But I know you need to get done done done done

More...

Mummy Don’t Know
Daddy’s Getting Hot
At The Body Shop
Doing Something Unholy

Lucky Lucky Lucky Girl..

Lucky Lucky Girl
She Got Married To A Boy Like You
She’d Kick You Out If She Ever
Ever Knew

’bout All The **
You Tell Me That You Do
Dirty Dirty Boy
You Know Everyone Is
Talking On The Scene

Boiledeggandtoast · 12/11/2022 12:59

Butchyrestingface · 12/11/2022 11:18

Mary Oliver, eh?

Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?

I ❤️ me some poyums.

Butchyrestingface I have Mary Oliver's Devotions by my bed and that is my favourite line in the whole collection.

RosaGallica · 12/11/2022 13:04

emptythelitterbox · 12/11/2022 12:47

Rap is poetry? Haha I don't think so!

Yeah okay you need to get done done done done
That’ll work come over
We just need to slow the motion
Don’t give that away to no one
Long distance I need you
When I see potential I just gotta see it through
If you had a twin I would still choose you
I don’t wanna rush into it if it’s too soon
But I know you need to get done done done done

More...

Mummy Don’t Know
Daddy’s Getting Hot
At The Body Shop
Doing Something Unholy

Lucky Lucky Lucky Girl..

Lucky Lucky Girl
She Got Married To A Boy Like You
She’d Kick You Out If She Ever
Ever Knew

’bout All The **
You Tell Me That You Do
Dirty Dirty Boy
You Know Everyone Is
Talking On The Scene

Yes, far too much misogyny and violence in it. Real poetry demands thought, and that seems to be lacking now - all there is is reaction.

You can hardly compare the ghetto rap about beating the bitch up to those lines of Bilston’s above, or any of Wilford Owen’s. The war on the streets now is a deliberate cultural choice to boost male ego and status, it’s not viewed as the terror it is.

SoupDragon · 12/11/2022 13:05

emptythelitterbox · 12/11/2022 12:47

Rap is poetry? Haha I don't think so!

Yeah okay you need to get done done done done
That’ll work come over
We just need to slow the motion
Don’t give that away to no one
Long distance I need you
When I see potential I just gotta see it through
If you had a twin I would still choose you
I don’t wanna rush into it if it’s too soon
But I know you need to get done done done done

More...

Mummy Don’t Know
Daddy’s Getting Hot
At The Body Shop
Doing Something Unholy

Lucky Lucky Lucky Girl..

Lucky Lucky Girl
She Got Married To A Boy Like You
She’d Kick You Out If She Ever
Ever Knew

’bout All The **
You Tell Me That You Do
Dirty Dirty Boy
You Know Everyone Is
Talking On The Scene

You think Sam Smith is rap? 😂

SoupDragon · 12/11/2022 13:13

Rap is poetry? Haha I don't think so!

🤔

Dear Jean
I hope this doesn't come as a surprise
But I've fallen for a woman from the skies
And she be truer than the lies
Truer than the prize
And you can see it when you look into her eyes
Deep blue like the flicker of the flame 'fore it dies
But this ain't dying, it's rising
Like the big round orange on horizon
I know it means I'm not about as much
But listen, I ain't moving out as such
Just moving half my clothes, maybe louder stuff
Out the south, out the house, never out of touch
Trust, I don't think I said it loud enough
I'm out the south, out the house, never out of touch
Trust, out of sight never out of mind
Out the light, never out of line
Trust, another night running out of time
Let it shine like we're living in a pantomime
She's not behind me or behind you
But beside we and beside two
But behind these little lines true
That I scribble in a book, think she idolizes you
So one night I'll be saying "I do"
To a girl that can read my mind, too
With little Ryan sat in a white suit
With my own baby Jean sat to his right too
I had a dream and it came true
And I can only blame you
Shit, I can only blame you
I guess you came through

JolieJ · 12/11/2022 13:16

I enjoy slam poetry

cardboardbox24 · 12/11/2022 13:19

Just saw the wonderful Hollie McNish performing last night!

iklboo · 12/11/2022 13:28

I love some of the Classics, but they're not as 'relevant' to youngsters today. DS(17) is a fan of John Cooper Clarke, we had a Hovis Presley poem at our wedding.

My favourite, since I was about 12 is

Conquerors - Henry Treece

By sundown we came to a hidden village
Where all the air was still
And no sound met our tired ears, save
For the sorry drip of rain from blackened trees
And the melancholy song of swinging gates.
Then through a broken pane some of us saw
A dead bird in a rusting cage, still
Pressing his thin tattered breast against the bars, 
His beak wide open. And
As we hurried through the weed-grown street,
A gaunt dog started up from some dark place
And shambled off on legs as thin as sticks
Into the wood, to die at least in piece.
No one among us would have eaten bread
Before he’d filled the mouth of the grey child
That sprawled, stiff as stone, before the shattered door.
There was not one who did no think of home.

BuryingAcorns · 12/11/2022 13:29

Thingsdogetbetter · 12/11/2022 11:09

Kar Tempest sells out huge venues. Rap and Grime is spoken word poetry. There are still rap competitions which are free flow poetry.

Personally- as an English Lit teacher - schools being restricted to heritage poetry has turned young people off poetry. 17th century romantic poems are never going to resonate with a bored teenager.

They don't though, do they? They teachCarol Ann Duffy's Mrs Midas and John Agard's Checkin out Me History and other gems of modern poetry which children and teens love.