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To explain to people that UK homes have never 'not had heating'

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KweenieBeanz · 12/11/2022 06:56

People keep responding to those worrying about energy costs, don't worry, homes never used to have heating, people survived, just don't put your heating on!
Home did not have central heating. Instead, they had fires and heated individual homes. People did not live in homes with no heating in the UK.

In the UK during the winter if a home is never heated even by late November /December temperatures inside will have gradually dropped to a temperature that's too low.
See the info here: www.cse.org.uk/advice/advice-and-support/heat-and-health#:~:text=Below%2013%C2%B0%20%2D%20If%20your,recommended%20night%20time%20bedroom%20temperature.

There is a huge difference if you even use your heating for just 1hr a day, topping up the temperature to stop it dropping so rapidly.

People need to stop acting as though those struggling just need to toughen up, 'wear more layers' and cope with the heating off this winter as a solution to energy costs, as it's simply not feasible, and it would be better for people to take action now to let their energy provider know they are in fuel poverty and need to access help.

OP posts:
Katypp · 12/11/2022 11:10

@Lampedsomeoiks but why are we 'terrified'? It costs something like 2p to boil a kettle. Last year it probably cost 1.5p and no-one was panicking, filling flasks, buying (at extra cost) one cup machines or doing without.
We are panicking because we are whipping ourselves up into a frenzy about it, that's why

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/11/2022 11:10

Simonjt · 12/11/2022 10:56

How does a home without electric heaters (or central heating) have heating?

By buying cheap plug in heaters.

As I explained in my other post they are easily and very cheaply available and can be used instantly.

A person may decide not to buy any and not have any heating that's their choice.

They may live in such extreme poverty that they can't purchase one (although they would probably be entitled to demand their landlord provided means of heating if the house was rented) but someone that poor isn't going to be running central heating either and so their lack of heating is due to poverty not lack of a heating source.

CecilyP · 12/11/2022 11:10

RosesAndHellebores · 12/11/2022 11:07

@CecilyP our two vict/edwardian houses had outside loos instead of a downstairs loo. Of course we had indoor ones installed downstairs. The outdoor ones were handy when dc were playing in the garden.

Yeas that what I was thinking! So handy for summer days in the garden!

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 12/11/2022 11:11

Yanbu. Not putting the heating on regularly (even for a short time) in winter can result in damp problems and mould growth which can cause health problems and damage to property.
People struggling need to be supported not patronised.

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:11

"How does a home without electric heaters (or central heating) have heating?"

Buy buying an electric heater and plugging it in. Most places have electricity.
Also, open fires, but I get that posters have experience of places with no open fires or where they've been boarded up.

etulosba · 12/11/2022 11:12

We are panicking because we are whipping ourselves up into a frenzy about it, that's why

Not everybody is panicking.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 12/11/2022 11:13

Katypp · 12/11/2022 11:10

@Lampedsomeoiks but why are we 'terrified'? It costs something like 2p to boil a kettle. Last year it probably cost 1.5p and no-one was panicking, filling flasks, buying (at extra cost) one cup machines or doing without.
We are panicking because we are whipping ourselves up into a frenzy about it, that's why

absolustley
i also only boil enough for a cup off coffee
so i have made small steps
i feel guilt when and if i put heating on

but we all need to change our ways and wake up

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:13

Katypp · 12/11/2022 11:10

@Lampedsomeoiks but why are we 'terrified'? It costs something like 2p to boil a kettle. Last year it probably cost 1.5p and no-one was panicking, filling flasks, buying (at extra cost) one cup machines or doing without.
We are panicking because we are whipping ourselves up into a frenzy about it, that's why

Someone posted on the FB group recently that their kettle was on 15 or 16 times a day! I suppose that person has more to worry about!

But heating has increased a lot more hasn't it? 3 times as much where I live.

Lampedsomeoiks · 12/11/2022 11:13

Katypp · 12/11/2022 11:10

@Lampedsomeoiks but why are we 'terrified'? It costs something like 2p to boil a kettle. Last year it probably cost 1.5p and no-one was panicking, filling flasks, buying (at extra cost) one cup machines or doing without.
We are panicking because we are whipping ourselves up into a frenzy about it, that's why

It all adds up and no one is whipping me up. A bloody spreadsheet tells me the numbers. I have cut back my usage to the point of misery. And for what? It still works out more than last year's equivalent.

Don't dismiss peoples' fears.

RosesAndHellebores · 12/11/2022 11:13

Our gas bill has just come in at £195 for the last quarter. It has been very mild in the SE. I think the electric bill was about £275 and that's with solar panels. We were pleasantly surprised.

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:14

"i also only boil enough for a cup off coffee"

So did you used to boil more than one cup when you only wanted one cup??
(I kind of have to, because my kettle has a safe minimum level).

Simonjt · 12/11/2022 11:15

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/11/2022 11:10

By buying cheap plug in heaters.

As I explained in my other post they are easily and very cheaply available and can be used instantly.

A person may decide not to buy any and not have any heating that's their choice.

They may live in such extreme poverty that they can't purchase one (although they would probably be entitled to demand their landlord provided means of heating if the house was rented) but someone that poor isn't going to be running central heating either and so their lack of heating is due to poverty not lack of a heating source.

So they don’t have heating, unless they have the funds to buy specific equipment.

Simonjt · 12/11/2022 11:15

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:11

"How does a home without electric heaters (or central heating) have heating?"

Buy buying an electric heater and plugging it in. Most places have electricity.
Also, open fires, but I get that posters have experience of places with no open fires or where they've been boarded up.

So confirming that it doesn’t actually have heating at all.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 12/11/2022 11:16

i do personally have a lot of hot drinks!

i bet most 20 year old students wouldnt think twice about their magic heating coming on - i know when i stayed in my dd's student house a month ago the heating was on at 3 in the mornign! <<it was lovely>>

CecilyP · 12/11/2022 11:17

nopuppiesallowed · 12/11/2022 09:51

We married very young. Our 1st flat had a large sitting room, a blocked off fireplace and a 2 bar electric fire - no other room had any heating at all. We froze and both of us had horrible chilblains. We loved going to work as then we were warm! Thankfully we only had to live in the flat through one winter.....

That describes my second home as a child. Lived there on and off for 18 years. We had electricity so we also had fires in bedrooms. Just the bathroom was the problem!

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:18

"So they don’t have heating, unless they have the funds to buy specific equipment."

Every form of heating requires some kind of equipment!!
You can get a heater pretty cheaply. The problem is paying the bills for electric heating, not buying the heater!!!

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:20

"So confirming that it doesn’t actually have heating at all."

It has electricity, you just need to buy the heater! Just like you have to buy food and clothes and everything else. Some people may be extremely poor, but it's not that heating is not possible in their homes.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/11/2022 11:21

Simonjt · 12/11/2022 11:15

So they don’t have heating, unless they have the funds to buy specific equipment.

No heating is free.

Meripenopause · 12/11/2022 11:22

Pre-LED light bulbs gave off enough heat to keep people from getting hypothermia. There was some research showing that deaths amongst the elderly increased for this reason once incandescent bulbs were phased out. So it is feasable that people survived living in houses with no heating. It would have been very unpleasant of course.
This actually reinforces your point that telling people not to put the heating has different consequences now compared to the 60s and 70s.

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:22

Heaters start at around £20.
As mentioned, the bills are the problem not the cost of the heater, but that would be the same if the LL provided the electric heaters.

CecilyP · 12/11/2022 11:23

Ablababla · 12/11/2022 09:54

Very few houses have no heating whatsoever but it’s usually far from adequate. I don’t know why this is.

growing up we didn’t have central heating as a 70s new build. It was extra and my parents couldn’t afford it. We had an ugly fire thing in the living room referred to as the baxi burmuda and a weird light heater combo in the bathroom and that was it.

my current Edwardian house was never well heated when it was built. It’s got massive rooms, ten foot high ceilings and single fireplaces. The bedroom ones are so tiny that you’d struggle to get a fire going. They were only used when someone was seriously Ill in bed. Because it was quite posh for an Edwardian house it’s got a sunroom. It’s like a tiny conservatory that heats up with the sun. And would have let the occupants sit in there on warm spring days etc to make the most of the heat.

Sounds like the sort of house where you’d have had the maid of all work lighting all the fires!

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/11/2022 11:24

Gwenhwyfar · 12/11/2022 11:18

"So they don’t have heating, unless they have the funds to buy specific equipment."

Every form of heating requires some kind of equipment!!
You can get a heater pretty cheaply. The problem is paying the bills for electric heating, not buying the heater!!!

If you are in an electric only property you only have one standing charge. Three months of gas standing charge would easily buy one electric heater.

Greggs101 · 12/11/2022 11:27

I grew up in a house with no form of heating. There was a gas fire in living room but it had been condemned. It was horrible and damp but we lived like that for years.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/11/2022 11:31

Simonjt · 12/11/2022 11:05

So finally confirming that a house without heating, doesn’t actually have heating.

If it also doesn't have an oven, or a hob, or a grill, or a hairdryer, or an iron or a kettle or anything else that generates heat.

As a student with an arse hole landlord who turned off the boiler and locked it up I used all of the above to take the chill off.

If you're going to be pedantic pretty much anything plugged in is generating heat, even the fridge. So houses with electricity have heating.

CecilyP · 12/11/2022 11:38

Simonjt · 12/11/2022 10:15

According to some posters you actually did have heating because currys sells electric heaters. Its exactly the same as having gas central heating fitted in your home, who knew!

Now your just being silly, Simon. I, and others didn’t say it was the same. We said it was a heating source if you chose to use it. You remind me of one of my former neighbours who thought she had priority for rehousing because, although we had gas warm air central heating it didn’t stretch to one of the bedrooms and she had an asthmatic son. She’d say, ‘he’s in a bedroom with no heating and he’s asthmatic’ ignoring the fact she could have bought an electric heater and, no, they were not low income! Also ignoring the fact that that particular son didn’t have to sleep in that particular bedroom!

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