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Nurses’ pay compared with other jobs

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Pinkapron · 07/11/2022 17:40

Would anyone be prepared to share what they pay tradespeople in their homes, eg cleaners, gardeners, plumbers, electricians etc, per hour please?
I am a staff nurse, 32 years qualified, with post graduate qualifications, and earn £16.84 per hour.

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flippetyflaps · 07/11/2022 18:57

Public sector defined benefit pension arrangements are worth a fortune. So definitely have to take account of those in any comparison with private sector or self employment. In broad terms it would cost about £600k right now to 'buy' a £20k a year pension; that's a lot to save...

The problem is that government have long relied on DB pensions as an excuse for not putting up wages and employees have sucked it up as they can't get DB pension arrangements anywhere in the private sector. So there's now a catch up needed. Whether it is 17% or another (lower) number is the question.

MarshaBradyo · 07/11/2022 18:58

Speedweed · 07/11/2022 18:53

I pay my cleaner £15 an hour. What you're being paid is a disgrace.

Being a cleaner is not easy though. It’s S/E and physically full on. Plus there’ll be gaps in the day for travel. I’m not sure why cleaner shouldn’t be paid £15 and that it means it’s a disgrace

Pipsickl · 07/11/2022 18:58

DarkKarmaIlama · 07/11/2022 18:27

@cardibach

Agency nurses get paid LOADS. Yeah I picked the wrong career too (teaching 🤦‍♀️ 😂).

They do on agency, but agency can be really really stressful because you often don’t know the ward or the staff or the doctors, and that makes it risky too.

people often forget how risky nursing can be , how open to litigation / loss of NMC pin nurses can be in the event of a mistake / mishap at work.

nursing on a busy shift with lots of changing variables, sick people, lack of time, multiple medications to do can be a nightmare and you will be shown no quarter if you make a mistake basically.

im not saying teaching is easy (far from it) what I’m saying is that they massively overpay agency because it’s such a nightmare and usually in poorly staffed areas (read the worst wards) at the most unsociable times.

BooksAreSaferThanPeople · 07/11/2022 19:00

I think comparing it to tradespeople is the wrong approach.

I'm a senior administrator in social services. I'm paid £13.21 per hour. My job requires no qualifications and I don't have to work unsociable hours.

Nurses should be paid far more than just £3 more per hour than me.

Curtayne · 07/11/2022 19:01

Mycatsgoldtooth · 07/11/2022 18:51

If I employed a trader that treated me as badly as the nurses I’ve encountered over the years I’d be leaving a bad review on check trade. Funnily enough there isn’t such a service for nurses….

Well there is, you can complain, but nothing will happen and they won't be sacked!

IneedanewTV · 07/11/2022 19:03

how much pension does the nhs contribute?

In practical terms, this means employers will pay 20.68 per cent of pensionable pay. For the 2019-20, 2020-21, 2021-22 and 2022-23 scheme years, employers are responsible for paying 14.38 per cent of contributions, with the remaining 6.3 per cent being funded centrally.

so you need to add 20.68% on top of your pay as this is what the employer is contributing to your pension.

there is also employers NI which is about 7%?

Fififafa · 07/11/2022 19:05

OP I’m with you and can’t believe people are comparing what you do to a cleaning job. What the actual fuck? We are talking about people who look after us when sick and dying. How can you compare the two? Nurses are qualified professionals who often take on the roles of doctors IME. You definitely deserve a pay rise!

ThingsIhavelearnt · 07/11/2022 19:06

Is that your contracted hours

you might find the starting salary for teacher is £28,000 but after you take into account all the extra hours they work /it is probably much less than the minimum wage

Winterscomingagain · 07/11/2022 19:06

Why the comparison with tradespeople?
I've worked in local government for 30 yrs, graduate and post graduate also.I don't earn anywhere near as much as you.It doesn't make it any better that both of us are underpaid but nursing isn't the only profession which is underpaid.

hallowedweens · 07/11/2022 19:06

That's for standard day shifts?

What's a night shift or bank holiday or weekend?

I do agree that nurses are underpaid though

HotDogJumpingFrogHaveACookie · 07/11/2022 19:09

I'll support anyone who wants to strike as its their right to do so and its an important right.

However, comparing the salary of a nurse who has the ability/potential to increase earnings by moving up the bands, accompanied by a good pension, excellent sick scheme, decent holidays and pretty much a guaranteed job for life, with that of a tradesperson is ridiculous.

I agree that working conditions need to improve drastically. I'm neither here nor there about the pay.

HotDogJumpingFrogHaveACookie · 07/11/2022 19:10

I'd be in favour of a performance related pay element of salary. An awful lot of nurses are frankly shit so I'd rather the recognition went to those who perform well.

PeekAtYou · 07/11/2022 19:13

My local Aldi pays £11ph for an entry level position.
My local McDonalds pays £12ph for an entry level position between midnight and 7am
They are advertising trainee manager positions with a starting salary of £13.25
Warehouse packing jobs (Amazon) are paying £13+ ph for a night shift with £22+ ph overtime (this is an enhanced rate for Xmas ) No experience necessary and they will hire you with no cv necessary.

FixundFoxi · 07/11/2022 19:13

@HotDogJumpingFrogHaveACookie what job do you do ?

PalindromemordnilaP · 07/11/2022 19:17

I'm a doctor, qualified 10 years (6 years at med school before that), but not massively high up the 'ladder' due to a slightly unconventional direction around training. I get £19.30 per clinical hour. I say clinical because we have quite a few things that we do in our own time that we're not paid for; audits, quality improvement projects, preparing presentations for doctor teaching/case presentations for MNM meetings, teaching med students, maintaining portfolio, additional simulation training for operative techniques in the skills lab, exam prep, supervisor meetings, reading quidelines, attending conferences, creating patient information leaflets. If you included all of the time doing these the 'hourly rate' would be less.

I also get an annual percentage increase based on working weekends/nights but this is much less than it used to be, since the new contract.

I pay £420 per year to the GMC, £618 per year royal college membership, £79 indemnity fees, £479 BMA (I'm doubting retaining this), £55 per month for a parking space in the multi-story that's often not available. Recently paid £400 to renew my advanced life support training. Will be sitting an exam for £500 in Jan (1 of 3 each is more expensive than the last with a low pass rate). I currently commute 1-2hours each way to work as I was recently rotated to the hospital that's furthest away from me in my deanery.

Light at the end of the tunnel - I'll be paid more eventually when I'm a consultant, if I get there.

DH gets paid considerably more than I do for much less time and effort. I however, have a more interesting and enjoyable job and I wouldn't swap with him to spend my days in front of a computer screen.

I'm not sure it's helpful making comparisons between professions, rather to compare the fact that as nurses, you've had a real terms paycut over the decades despite increasing skills and pressures. I will be fully supporting my nursing colleagues when they strike.

Mosik · 07/11/2022 19:19

It's more useful to look at salary scales. Nurses start at £27055 on band 5.
That band goes up to just under £33000.
More senior / specialist nurses can go up to band 8 which starts at £48k

RagzRebooted · 07/11/2022 19:22

AntlerRose · 07/11/2022 18:01

I think nurses are hugely underpaid,

but i dont think this is a useful comparison, as their hourly rate is not the full package. Their employer will also make a pension contribution and they should get paid annual leave. I dont know the sick pay terms but it is likely there would be a level of pay if you broke your leg and were off work for 6 weeks. Self employed trades have to cover those benefits in their hourly rate, plus have dead time securing work, sorting accounts, travelling between job etc.

Agree, it's not comparable. I'm a nurse (qualified 3 years, General Practice so not on Agenda for Change) and earn £18ph in my main job on paye, but I cost my employer a lot more than that when you consider the 20% pension contribution, NI, holiday, they pay my union fees and registration.

I charge £25ph for locum work, I don't get pension contributions on that or earn any holiday or get paid sick pay. So it is more money in my pocket, but fewer benefits.

I still don't think nursing is great pay for the responsibility we have, but it's the best paid job I have ever had and the pension will be a lifeline as DH has always been self employed and doesn't have one at all.

I still can't afford to buy a house though!

HotDogJumpingFrogHaveACookie · 07/11/2022 19:24

FixundFoxi · 07/11/2022 19:13

@HotDogJumpingFrogHaveACookie what job do you do ?

I'm an engineer. Qualified and chartered civil and electrical separately. Have intricate specialism in offshore project with a suite of quals to accompany.

Why do you ask, @FixundFoxi ?

StressedToTheMaxxx · 07/11/2022 19:24

I'd be more inclined to compare similar professions with similar levels of responsibility, education etc ie social workers, teachers etc.

Slushynana · 07/11/2022 19:27

Nurses also get shift premiums of 30% for Saturday, unsocial and night shifts and 60% for a Sunday or Bank holiday shift. After 5 years they are entitled to 6 months full pay and 6 months half pay sick pay. After 10 years they get 33 days plus 8 days bank holidays so a total of 41 days holiday entitlement every year. The government also pay 14.38% every month towards the pension which is having to increase to 20.6% to fund the pension this is on top of the employee contributions. If they qualify for maternity they are paid 8 weeks full pay and 18 weeks half pay plus statutory pay and just statutory for the remaining 13 weeks paid leave.

fortheloveofflowers · 07/11/2022 19:28

You realise we pay into our own pensions from our pay it’s not just government paying into it.

ecnatsid · 07/11/2022 19:30

Nurses are desperately underpaid for what they're expected to do

flippetyflaps · 07/11/2022 19:32

fortheloveofflowers · 07/11/2022 19:28

You realise we pay into our own pensions from our pay it’s not just government paying into it.

Yes but the point is twofold - the government pays a significant amount and the pension is a guaranteed % of final salary. Private sector schemes typically have a modest contribution from the employer and are defined contribution schemes so you only get back what you've put in plus what the investments it has been put in to have returned, as an annuity. As I said earlier, about £600k saved would get an annuity of about £20k at the moment. Most pension pots have declined around 25% in value over the last 12 months because equity markets have fallen sharply given the macroeconomic environment which is bad news for anyone retiring soon with a DC arrangement that hasn't started to liquidate their investments.

Watapalava · 07/11/2022 19:32

To be fair op if you are still top band 5 after 32 years then that’s your choice

that’s a long time to be so low down the scale

Overthebow · 07/11/2022 19:35

fortheloveofflowers · 07/11/2022 19:28

You realise we pay into our own pensions from our pay it’s not just government paying into it.

Yes, but your employer (government) contributions are a lot higher than most private sector jobs and self employed so that needs to be taken into account when comparing salaries.

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