Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Railway strikes- I think they are overdoing it

114 replies

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:11

So, many people in UK commutes for work, many take the trains. I am one of them.
I do love the service, the apps are great to buy tickets and find train timetables, they run really well, even if delayed tend to be just 30 min or so, it is comfy. Also, it is electric, so better for the environment. I walk from and to the station, so it keeps me fit.
When the strikes started I just ut up with the inconvenience thinking that they were facing some redundancies, so protesting against that or low pay, I support.
But it has turned since las set of strikedays and this week into a strike against the consumer, from my point of view.
When they walked out last time, I got stuck in the city I work for 4 hours. The buses were fully booked and ran with delays. There had cancelled all the trains, not even a single one was on the timetable. I witness a large amount of people stuck for hours on end after a full days work or travelling with huge cass and children. The buses were fully booked till after 12 at night! So what I witnessed was actually only a fraction of it. When I caught the coach next day, the driver was warning passengers that on Wednesday London was so packed that coaches were delayed for 5 hours to get into London.
This time aroud, they published a set of dates, then they changed them, but I have read that in London they have walked out one day early. Changing the dates was to accomodate a busy weekend in London. So there must be another huge amount of people left stranded.

Trains are a vital service to me.
But they are cancelling a huge amount of trains on week long strikes.
Changing dates means they affect people who had planned around the original dates. They cost the commuter more money and stress. People are using buses and coaches yamming roads and polluting. People arrive late to work or back home, missing important things.
Newspaper today mention 600 million of cost to this country, to the tax payer, us who struggle with the cost of living.
I do not see this affecting anyone else bit the user. The train company will only return the money from the train ticket, not cover for the cost of the bus or driving or other alternative.
If they were reducing services, like running one train per hour instead of 30 min, then nobody would be stuck for hours on end, it will be only an inconvenient. The train company will have to return the ticket price if you train is in the delayed lot. But they are cancelling all trains at some points in UK.

Now, they know very well what they are doing. They know what is happening to all those stranded passengers. They know that the buses cannot cope with the amount of people, let alone the traffic due to people driving.

I think they should not be allowed to cancel more than 10% of the services, that they should grant alternative routes within 60 min of the trains they cancel, that strikes should not last more than one day per week and they should publish the revised detailed timetables for each station as soon as the strike date is set, so we can plan our commute.
So, what do you think?

AIBU- You support the strikes as they are currently
AINBU- They need to calm it down and provide a good basic service on strike days

OP posts:
edwinbear · 04/11/2022 17:12

They've been called off though.

carefulcalculator · 04/11/2022 17:14

YABU - the latest strikes have been cancelled because the other side have FINALLY agreed to real talks.

Stop blaming workers for standing up for workers' rights. Unions pushing for workers' rights improves the situation for all of us.

BeyondMyWits · 04/11/2022 17:15

Yep strikes on 5th, 7th and 9th have been called off.

JustLyra · 04/11/2022 17:15

They’ve been called off.

However, there’s no point in striking and it not making an impact.

If the train companies or the government actually gave a shit about passengers then they’d allow strikes like they have in Japan where striking bus drivers still run routes but strike from collecting money.

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:16

You are wrong, the strikes have not being called off, they are set for the 5th, 7th and 9th, but in some parts of the country they include other dates for underground too

OP posts:
MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:17

Ok, I do hope so, because in my train app they appear loud and clear

OP posts:
Justanother123 · 04/11/2022 17:17

The strikes for the 5th, 7th & 9th have been suspended

Regularsizedrudy · 04/11/2022 17:17

You know the whole purpose of stiles is to cause disruption right?

Regularsizedrudy · 04/11/2022 17:17

Strikes even

ghostyslovesheets · 04/11/2022 17:20

Railways are run for profit not for customers - this is the issue in the UK - the railway industry is not fit for purpose in many parts of the UK

Staff have a right to decent pay and conditions and customers to safety and comfort - plus a basic reliable service

£98bn for HS2 - a vanity project - and trains that can't meet demand or run on time

This country has it's priorities wrong - stop blaming workers - who are also impacted by the cost of living!

reigatecastle · 04/11/2022 17:20

The strikes have been suspended but my local railway company is saying it's too late to reinstate services tomorrow (fair enough), on Monday (hmmmm) and Wednesday (they are taking the mick).

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:21

Yes, disruption or finantial loss to the company.
Not to leave people stuck in the middle of nowhere well on purpose.

OP posts:
ButterflyBiscuit · 04/11/2022 17:21

I thought training drivers were really well paid last term this came up!

But it would be much better if it was run nationally again and not for profit.

Topseyt123 · 04/11/2022 17:22

They absolutely HAVE been suspended. It happened this afternoon. It is reported on the BBC news website.

Your information is out of date.

edwinbear · 04/11/2022 17:23

Cynically, it's in the rail workers best interests to agree to pay rises now, whilst inflation is at 10%. It will be much harder for them to negotiate 10% pay rises when inflation starts falling again - which may not be too far in the future. I imagine there will be some sort of agreement reached sector wide in the next week or two.

ButterflyBiscuit · 04/11/2022 17:23

We literally looked into "becoming a train driver" for 2 years as my husband was looking for a career change (that and traffic control were his interests.)

There were never adverts for train driver jobs/training in our area in the 2 years. I think it is all an inside job! And such good pay.

ButterflyBiscuit · 04/11/2022 17:24

£60 000 is similar to a head teacher for comparison.

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:24

Train drivers are well paid, by comparisson to my salary.
I did see the publishing of their pay scale, and to be honest, it looked great to me! At least if ypu do not live in London itself.

The trains are hugely expensive as it is. I agree they should be a national asset.

OP posts:
TheMarzipanDildo · 04/11/2022 17:26

The point of a strike is to prove how much you are needed though surely?

ghostyslovesheets · 04/11/2022 17:28

Train drivers are responsible for the safety of 100's of passengers - would you want them paid less? It's not just drivers though - it's conductors, service staff, ticket staff, cleaners etc
Closing ticket booths, reducing staff at stations puts people at risk - as well as meaning job losses

JustLyra · 04/11/2022 17:28

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:24

Train drivers are well paid, by comparisson to my salary.
I did see the publishing of their pay scale, and to be honest, it looked great to me! At least if ypu do not live in London itself.

The trains are hugely expensive as it is. I agree they should be a national asset.

Wasn’t it signallers who were the ones actually striking next week though?

The strikes haven’t all been about train drivers, in fact I think most of them have been about other railway staff so they salaries of drivers is irrelevant

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:33

Nobody has said that they shoud get paid less or not claim more, though their payscale does look great to me!
What I say is that an essential service (whoever needs proof?) should not cancel so many services as they did.
I think none of you uses trains regularly?
And.... they are not going to reinstate services yet, at least that is what is published.
In my opinion, they have well, but well, overdone it.

OP posts:
ghostyslovesheets · 04/11/2022 17:36

I think you are missing the point of striking!

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 04/11/2022 17:38

If they offer a service all that will happen is they go sick instead...and get paid.

MushMonster · 04/11/2022 17:41

I think you have lost the idea of what basic services are.
There are certain professions and services that should not operate less than a minimum as this would cause far too much trouble. Police, doctors, nurses, food rovision, water provision, energy provision, transport? anyone?
Transport is an essential service!

OP posts: