Good to see some BBC balance on immigration ...

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After all the negative stories putting pressure on the Home Secretary this week, you could have been forgiven for thinking the BBC were on a mission to force her out, so it's good to see this story for much needed balance, and as an example of grown up investigative journalism as opposed to personality politics:
BBC News - Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070

Btw, I'm not a Conservative voter, or a strong supporter of any other party.

Cool, cool.

Welcome to Mumsnet, OP.

I'm a Mumsnet veteran actually. 😉

So your point is that the current immigration system is so damaged and unfit for purpose that it leaves people vulnerable to what amounts to trafficking and slavery?

Not sure what the point is, are you highlighting the BBC show multiple viewpoints of the same issue as an example of editorial balance?

It's interesting that most voters see the BBC as being biased towards the other major party - perhaps this is symptom of them typically being quite balanced in showing a range of perspectives which differs form other news outlets which focus on particular narrative aimed at a right or left audience for instance

Thats one way to pick a fight...

Oh OP, don’t you know that MN firmly believes that everyone in the world has an inalienable right to come and live in Britain ( usually in England, in the South east if they prefer) irrespective of their qualifications, beliefs or previous convictions. The ‘Tories’ are heartless bastards for questioning this.

MN posters also complain bitterly about house prices, rental availability , over crowding in schools, NHS waiting lists, rising taxation. The ‘ Tories’ are completely to blame for these shortfalls, as they have mislaid their magic wand.

These two topics and stances are, of course, completely unrelated.

My teenage son told me months ago that all the major drugs gangs in the uk are run by Albanians . Why do people think young fit men are risking their lives to get to the uk ? . They are not coming from a war torn country . They will not fill the employment gaps . I can’t see them working in care or hospitality,

Insider intel from teenage son. Good to know.

@Seebee 😂

What are you talking about? Mumsnet is racist and xenophobic

No, I don't think the BBC as a whole is biased one way more than the other, but I do think some BBC correspondents and editors focus too much on personality politics and not enough on the bigger picture. Most other media outlets do the same, but I expect better of the BBC.

There's a very good article making a similar point in today's FT, but unfortunately it's behind a paywall. It's called "Britain must learn to love boring politics again."

you ok hun?

@Seebee he watches programmes like Narcos and Top Boy and seems to know these facts . Thankfully I am sure he does not use drugs .

Must be true then 😂

Btw, I'm not a Conservative voter, or a strong supporter of any other party.

Says everyone who tries to make excuses for the f* conservatives

Tories are heartless bastards though...they don't question anything unless they think it will win them a few votes.
Half the north can't afford to move to the south east because of property prices, let alone economic migrants from all over the world. Funnily enough it doesn't work the opposite way....

Says everyone who agrees with the OP, but wants to poke a stick at them anyway.

And this is why we are changing names by deed poll and hiding heritage. Or maybe we should go back (to my husbands) home?

Can I ask why you can't see them working in care or hospitality @sandgrown ? Literally the only thing you know about them is their nationality.

I ask because, on the face of it, a blanket assumption like that would indicate... certain things about you. I'm sure that's completely wrong though, and actually you have some proper reasoning which you'll be happy to explain.

So if the government started processing applications for asylum in a timely manner, less incentive to come to the UK to begin with.

And also if you want to help reduce such a trade (if you can call it that), then stop taking illegal drugs, if you do so.

*Oh OP, don’t you know that MN firmly believes that everyone in the world has an inalienable right to come and live in Britain ( usually in England, in the South east if they prefer) irrespective of their qualifications, beliefs or previous convictions. The ‘Tories’ are heartless bastards for questioning this.

MN posters also complain bitterly about house prices, rental availability , over crowding in schools, NHS waiting lists, rising taxation. The ‘ Tories’ are completely to blame for these shortfalls, as they have mislaid their magic wand.

These two topics and stances are, of course, completely unrelated.*

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Nicola sturgeon says all are welcome here. SNP supporters cheer for this. Yet every single one I know complains bitterly about house building on green belt land, rammed schools and horrific NHS waiting lists.

I genuinely think people have no common sense

It's all part and parcel of the growth nonsense and the pantomime that the country isn't broke and that the sums haven't added up for decades.

I'd very much like to see a fast, legal route for genuine asylum seekers, but I can also see how that aim can be stymied by thousands of illegal migrants like the ones in the BBC article, and many more. If they have no documents, and claim to be seeking asylum, they create a bottleneck, and genuine claimants get caught up in it.

If you were in charge, how would you tell the difference between a genuine asylum seeker and an economic migrant who claimed to be a genuine asylum seeker? That is the thorny question, that people often ignore. When every case has to be closely examined, and the numbers are hugely swollen by the efforts of greedy people traffickers, of course there will be a backlog.

It’s definitely true that there are some
nasty Albanian gangs around, I used to live near one and the news stories about them
were scary.

10,000 young men from Albania illegally sailed into UK this year (and that’s just the number who got caught). This is going to have a massive impact on UK crime levels for many years to come.

I don’t know what the answer is but it ain’t Rwanda.