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To wonder if I am a victim of emotional abuse? Or just too sensitive?

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Bonatos · 03/11/2022 23:16

Posting here for traffic, really. This will be long!

So apologies if this is worded poorly, trying to gather my thoughts!

My relationship with my dad has always been kind of distant. I've never felt fully comfortable around him. Not in a physical way (he's never physically harmed me and I don't fear he will) but in an emotional way? I don't feel like I can open up and be myself around him, or show strong emotion around him. I'm on emotional guard, I suppose. I never really understood why until recently, when I've begun to think he may have been and still is emotionally abusive. I'm now in my late 20s and have DC of my own and some of the things I recall him saying and doing I would never dream of doing to my own children.

He was always making 'jokes' at my expense. Jabs about my appearance, weight, personality etc. Often when I was a kid or teen he would grab a roll of fat from my belly, laugh and say 'what is this? You need to stop eating pies!'. Or he'd go the opposite way and say I was too skinny and needed to eat more. Refer to my hair as a rats nest or say I look like a witch (my hair is very thick and curly). Call me 'speccy four eyes'. I had cystic acne as a teen and he would call me 'spotty' as a nickname. If for example a witch or comically ugly woman appeared on TV he would laugh and say 'Hey, that's Bonatos!'. I remember one incident distinctly. I was around 10/11 and tried to apply makeup for the first time. I ran to show my parents and my dad laughed and said 'Jesus, you look like a man in drag!'. I'm sure I DID look awful but surely you would smile and say your child looked lovely and then cringe when they weren't looking? Even years later that still hurts. He doesn't do it so much now I'm an adult (and am better able to stand up for myself!) but recently, after having my 2nd baby, he commented on the size of my 'pot' (belly) and breasts (🤢🤢). One time I told him I wanted to be a midwife and he laughed, incredulous, and said 'You? A midwife?'. Still not entirely sure what he meant by that.

If I got upset at his 'jokes' he would either laugh and say he was just joking, or get angry and say I needed to stop being so bloody sensitive. If I cried he would tell me to stop or call me a baby. Even now I hardly ever cry because I feel ashamed and embarrassed if I do.

I do understand having banter and jokes with your children, but when it's constant and upsets them surely it's gone beyond a joke?

He would also say some pretty horrible things out of anger, looking back. I remember one time when I was around 13 I missed the school bus home and had to call him to pick me up. I appreciate it's annoying and he'd be irritated, but he said 'Oh FFS, I really fucking hate you sometimes'. Another time I refused to wear my glasses to school because I was being bullied for wearing them, and he said he 'didn't care' I was being bullied. Another time he said 'if you were a boy I'd have battered the shit out of you' (I can't remember what I'd actually done, I was about 14 then). Again I understand losing your rag and saying things you might regret, but these seem a little more than that.

It has gotten better now I'm an adult but even now he will sometimes take a jab at my weight, or my hair, or some other aspect of my appearance. All in the guise of 'joking'. If I mention a struggle I'm having such as mental health, or money etc he always has to one up it and lament how he has it so much worse, how I need to toughen up. I always find conversations with him emotionally exhausting.

Now I know this all sounds terrible written down, but he did and does have times where he is funny and warm and giving. He tells me he loves me and I know he does. And I love him. He does suffer from severe depression and has done most of his adult life, and he also did not have the best upbringing himself. His own dad was a violent alcoholic. I don't think he's a bad person, just misguided? I don't know, I feel so conflicted. I feel guilty for even writing this down but part of me keeps saying that the way he treated me as a child wasn't right and shouldn't be excused. I suffer from low self esteem, anxiety, and depression and wonder if some of it is linked to my childhood? I have a great life now but still struggle to show emotion and let people in. If I mention any of the incidents from my childhood now he will tell me it didn't happen or I'm remembering it wrong. Or that I'm too sensitive and he was only joking. I grew up thinking I really was just this boring person who couldn't take a joke.

As for my mum, she would sometimes stand up for me but then tell me 'you know what he's like', 'you wind him up' etc. I don't really talk to either of them very often, maybe once every few weeks?

I don't know. I feel so conflicted. Was I really suffering emotional abuse or am I really just too sensitive?

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 03/11/2022 23:25

Oh OP yes telling your child that they are ugly, fat, spotty etc. And then blaming then for getting upset and blaming them for over reacting is completely abusive, and yes is will be linked to your self esteem issues. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that.

Bonatos · 03/11/2022 23:33

@DrinkFeckArseBrick thank you so much. I have a wonderful DH and gorgeous children now, life is good ❤️ I just have this nagging voice inside me that tells me I don't deserve it.

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Bonatos · 03/11/2022 23:34

Also, I should say I have an older brother and he was treated quite differently. Very much the favoured son.

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junebirthdaygirl · 03/11/2022 23:45

All of those examples are horrible. Even one of them would be enough to stay in one's mind forever but you have a string of them. I have met people who remember one nasty remark from their parent all their lives so l don't know how you are standing up straight after that litany. Counselling would really help and having those examples written down would be a good start to talk about your childhood. My dad was a quiet man who l can genuinely say never put me down in my whole life even when l was a teenager full of lip and independence. I'm sorry your dad spoke so nastily to you and it is good for yourself that you don't hate him but there are a lot of wounds there and l would definitely seek counselling to bring it all out.

EndlessMagpies · 03/11/2022 23:51

"Now I know this all sounds terrible written down, but..."

No buts.

It really is terrible. The way he treated you is absolutely despicable.

Apileofballyhoo · 04/11/2022 00:08

Brother the golden child and you the scapegoat? Glad you have a lovely DH and children. He obviously took his unhappiness out on you.

IamtheElephant · 04/11/2022 01:39

Your father sounds very abusive. And so does your mother, she should have protected you!
I know first hand how hard it can be to come to terms with the fact your parents were abusive, especially if the abuse was more covert. My father is a rageaholic and my mum has been depressed her whole life but on the outside my family was perfectly respectable. I suffered from low self esteem, anxiety, and depression too and only found a good therapist a couple of years ago, in my mid thirties. It made a world of difference and I really wish I got some proper help sooner.
Patrick Teahan has a great channel on youtube, I recommend watching video to start exploring how your upbringing affected you.

Newmootonight · 04/11/2022 02:13

Yes OP you were a victim of emotional abuse, and I'm so sorry you've had to endure it.

I had a somewhat similar upbringing except in my case it was my mother who constantly had to put me down. It's horrible and it stays with you.

I don't have any words of wisdom but I note that you don't have too much contact. That's good, keep it like that, and do that "grey rock" thing of not really engaging with him/them except on a superficial level.

In my head my "revenge" for all the crap I put up with is to live my best life, lovely husband and kids, nice house, job I'm good at. At least I'm not bitter and twisted like she was!

Oh and one last thing. Could you try to reframe your thinking so that instead of being a victim, you see yourself as a survivor? Its what I do and I draw strength from being a survivor.

FangsForTheMemory · 04/11/2022 03:01

Yes that is abuse. I know because my father did similar to me although not to the same degree. I’m so glad things are going well for you now.

Bonatos · 04/11/2022 08:23

Thank you all so much, and sorry to hear others experienced similar. Counselling is a good idea, I have had CBT before for anxiety but never really went into my childhood.

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SnitterBug · 04/11/2022 08:29

Had this too and he admitted to me in later life I had to be taken down a peg or too because my sibling stood in my shadow . He basically deliberately tried to destroy my confidence. He succeeded.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 04/11/2022 08:30

He sounds horrendous. I’d start putting the phone down every time he’s rude or obnoxious.

Bonatos · 04/11/2022 08:30

@SnitterBug that's awful, I'm so sorry 😢 It's baffling how people can be so nasty to their own children.

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Frazzledmummy123 · 04/11/2022 08:38

That is emotional abuse, no question about it. Classic gaslighting too, blaming you for being too sensitive when confronted, and your mum saying you wind him up and blaming you instead of blaming the real aggressor.

My DM was emotionally abusive, she could be downright nasty and verbally abusive, but if I said anything at all, I would be told I am too sensitive, and 'I should see what goes on in other people's houses if I think a
she is bad'. My dad would tell me ot was my fault for reacting when she goes into her moods.

Same as your dad, my DM could also be warm and loving, and show she cared. It is a total headf**k when they are like that and the abuse is emotional and therefore, subtle. You question if it is you that is the problem, and feel guilty for saying anything to anyone if things are good.

Bonatos · 04/11/2022 08:41

@Frazzledmummy123 yup, sounds VERY familiar. He would also say how he had it far worse as a kid. He probably did but that doesn't excuse how he treated me. Very true about about the confusion it causes when they can be lovely. So sorry you experienced that.

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Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 04/11/2022 08:52

I suffer from low self esteem, anxiety, and depression and wonder if some of it is linked to my childhood? I have a great life now but still struggle to show emotion and let people in. If I mention any of the incidents from my childhood now he will tell me it didn't happen or I'm remembering it wrong. Or that I'm too sensitive and he was only joking. I grew up thinking I really was just this boring person who couldn't take a joke.
As for my mum, she would sometimes stand up for me but then tell me 'you know what he's like', 'you wind him up' etc. I don't really talk to either of them very often, maybe once every few weeks?

Keep low contact while you work this out. Yes, your current problems are linked to what you were told growing up. What we say to children affects them for life. A lot of people behaved like this in the past so I dont think it was necessarily done from evil intentions, but pretending it did not happen, or dismissing your upset is not ok and you have the right to tell your parents that they may not agree with but it is not ok and you will not tolerate it. However, the chances of them understanding or admitting it are very remote I am afraid.

Onlyforcake · 04/11/2022 08:57

How awful for you. That's straight up abusive language

SnitterBug · 04/11/2022 10:37

Bonatos · 04/11/2022 08:30

@SnitterBug that's awful, I'm so sorry 😢 It's baffling how people can be so nasty to their own children.

Thank you . I believe something goes wrong with bonding . Mine wasn't around a lot but was for my sibling from day one . Also told my sibling was planned and I wasn't so probably resented as well , I think when you accept you were abused and. It wasn't your fault you will begin to heal , It's not you it's him that had the problem.

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