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AIBU?

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To ask or not to ask

14 replies

Flutterbybudget · 03/11/2022 14:46

Not even sure how to word this, but here goes … bit of a dilemma

I have several children living at home, but only one school age. She is coming up to GCSE’s and not overly academic (shall we say). I’ve not had a holiday for 4 years, although she’s been away several times with her dad and with scouts etc. I really struggle to get time off work, even more so in school holidays.

I’ve been told that my place of work is closing for a few weeks in the New Year, and I have the opportunity to go abroad and stay with a relative, only paying for the flights. I’ve NEARLY decided to go (still mulling it over but it’s a fantastic opportunity)

The question is, what I do with my DD. It’s not feasible for her to come, the school wouldn’t allow it, her dad would fight it, and if I’m honest, I don’t think she can afford to take a few weeks off at this point in her schooling. (Just for perspective, I’ve taken her twice in the past - albeit to my relatives old house, when she was in primary school).

So, my question is, should I ask if she wants to go to her dads, while I am there?

To me, it sounds like a “given”, but in reality, in 5 years there hasn’t been a single occasion when he has had her for even one night more than is stated in the court order, and sometimes cancels the scheduled arrangements if he decides to go away or makes other plans . When I have asked her in the past, if she WANTS to go “extra”, after being let down so many times, she’s told me “not to bother asking him, because he will only say no”. BUT I never want to be the parent who gets accused later on, of having “stood in the way” of them seeing each other.

When my ex first left, I bought her a mobile phone so she could always contact him, and he could contact her, without feeling as if they had to “go through me”. I’ve always tried my best to facilitate contact, and have stayed local, at considerable financial cost to myself so he isn’t too far away (he’s moved a short distance away, but I’ve stayed here).

Now, I find that whenever I offer him more time with her, and he invariably says “no” I get really upset. It distresses me so much, because it just feels as if she in an inconvenience to him. Eg he won’t ever pick her up early (eg if she has a day off school), or keep her later than the 7.30pm stated in the court order despite her being 5 years older, with a later bedtime. I know that if I engage in a discussion with him, I WILL get upset. But I also truly want to give him the opportunity to spend that time with her, and feel that it’s still his “right” to be offered that chance.

So, YABU to offer (and I would ask HIM if he was WILLING to have her, before I mentioned it to her, because I don’t want her to be disappointed again)

or YANBU to just leave her at home, with her older adult siblings, who she is very close to and are perfectly happy to look after her, and just not mention her going to her dads as an option to anyone.

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mamabear715 · 03/11/2022 14:52

Personally.. I wouldn't even ask him. I think she'll be much better off in her own space with her siblings. He sounds as though he has her because he has to / it's expected, rather than really enjoying spending time with her. I guess you could mention that you're going & she'll be staying with her siblings, just in case he offers.. but otherwise it sounds as though you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment if you rely on him..
Having said that.. GO! Have a wonderful time!

Flutterbybudget · 03/11/2022 14:54

Thank you
It’s kind of how I feel, just never want ANY of my children to blame me for her/ their relationships with him

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Pumpkinpatchlookinggood · 03/11/2022 15:07

Me and dh have been away and left similar age dc with older siblings. They had a great time!! Go and enjoy the break op. Everybody is entitled to one!
Parents of teens even more so!

Delilahonabike · 03/11/2022 15:08

When I have asked her in the past, if she WANTS to go “extra”, after being let down so many times, she’s told me “not to bother asking him, because he will only say no”

She already has the measure of her dad, you don't need to worry about her blaming you. And you can't make him a good dad, all you can do is fill the gap by being the stable parent and supporting DC as they realise their dad is a bit shit. Let DD stay home with her siblings and save her and yourself from the inevitable disappointment of him saying no. And have a lovely break away, sounds like you deserve it Flowers

Topgub · 03/11/2022 15:09

How old is she /your older kids?

Surely if she wants to go to her dad's she's old enough to ask him herself?

AriettyHomily · 03/11/2022 15:11

How old are the older siblings? I'd leave her with them if they're responsible and she wanted it, wouldn't force her on a dad with a non relationship.

Dinoswearunderpants · 03/11/2022 15:16

I wouldn't bother asking your ex but equally is it right that you go? She sounds quite vulnerable, who would look after her? How old are her other siblings? Are they reliable? How would they cope without you for two weeks?

Flutterbybudget · 03/11/2022 15:22

Older siblings are all in their 20’s, the oldest will be 30 in a few months. They are all perfectly capable of looking after her and the house, and they are all very close. They get on well. One works nights, so is in the house all day, and would be around when she gets home from school.
She’s not really particularly vulnerable now tbh, she is well adjusted and settled. I SUSPECT that IF I was to ask her today, whether she would prefer to stay here, or go to her dad’s then her immediate reaction would be to stay with her siblings.
I think it’s just an innate gut feeling that I have, that her dad should still be given the opportunity to spend more time with her.

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Dinoswearunderpants · 03/11/2022 15:25

Flutterbybudget · 03/11/2022 15:22

Older siblings are all in their 20’s, the oldest will be 30 in a few months. They are all perfectly capable of looking after her and the house, and they are all very close. They get on well. One works nights, so is in the house all day, and would be around when she gets home from school.
She’s not really particularly vulnerable now tbh, she is well adjusted and settled. I SUSPECT that IF I was to ask her today, whether she would prefer to stay here, or go to her dad’s then her immediate reaction would be to stay with her siblings.
I think it’s just an innate gut feeling that I have, that her dad should still be given the opportunity to spend more time with her.

Ok that all makes sense.

I think she's old enough to make the decision for herself so perhaps ask what she'd prefer to do.

Sounds like you have everything covered and you deserve a break so enjoy :-)

Flutterbybudget · 03/11/2022 15:32

Dinoswearunderpants · 03/11/2022 15:25

Ok that all makes sense.

I think she's old enough to make the decision for herself so perhaps ask what she'd prefer to do.

Sounds like you have everything covered and you deserve a break so enjoy :-)

I can’t really ask HER before I ask her dad, because if (as I suspect he will) he says “no” she will be upset and hurt by that. I think that I’d have to ask him first, to see if he was prepared to have her and then IF he said “yes” ask what she wanted to do.

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AriettyHomily · 03/11/2022 15:40

On that basis I would t bother asking him.

bananaboats · 03/11/2022 15:43

I'm not sure why you would even consider asking him tbh!

FurElsie · 03/11/2022 15:51

Unfortunately your ex has made it very clear he doesn't want to spend more time with her. You've done a fantastic job trying to facilitate their relationship, it's long past time you should let go of any feelings of guilt. Let your daughter stay with her siblings (sounds like they have a wonderful relationship how lucky for you 🙂), if she wants to tell her dad you've gone away and can she come and stay more, she is well of an age to do that herself, but also sounds like she's mature enough to know not to bother asking ☹️

purplemama1990 · 03/11/2022 16:20

If you have adult children at home with there then the obvious answer is to just leave her with them. My parents did this with me and younger siblings when they had to travel once without us. We had two adult siblings who cared for us for 2 weeks, and to this day I still have fond memories of those 2 weeks!

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