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To say no to any more viewings?

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toastedcat · 01/11/2022 10:56

I live in a rented house with my partner and new baby (four months old). We've bought a house and are renovating it; will be moving into it in two weeks time.

We gave the letting agency plenty of notice and arranged with them a day for them to do viewings. We left the house tidy and clean for them to take people round, and they had about seven people booked in.

They've increased the rent by £100 which I think is worth noting -- it's a tiny two bedroom house which definitely isn't ideal for a family. It's clear to see when you come in as we've got too much stuff crammed in.

Nobody signed up after that round, so we gave them access twice more. It's a huge inconvenience each time as I'm on mat leave and my husband wfh, and also it's hard enough keeping the place clean without having the pressure of viewings.

Nobody showed up to view the last two times they were booked in, so it was a wasted effort on cleaning and tidying all my son's baby stuff away.

AIBU to tell them we've had enough and they will have to arrange viewings after we've left?

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Goodadvice1980 · 02/11/2022 18:44

OP you have the right to “quiet enjoyment” of the property. Just refuse visits.

toastedcat · 02/11/2022 19:43

CocoFifi · 02/11/2022 18:06

I think you are being unreasonable. The landlord needs to pay his mortgage, just the same as you will when you move into your new house. Any of us, buying, selling, renting need to have viewings. How many people went to view the house you are buying? Moving is stressful for anyone, but there is no need to awkard about things.

Did you read my post? I've let them have viewings three times already!

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TeachesOfPeaches · 02/11/2022 20:05

Doesn't matter what your contract says, legally you can refuse viewings as you are entitled to quiet enjoyment. Offer to go to court for breach of contract as you'll be long gone before anything happens.

TheFlis12345 · 02/11/2022 20:08

Arenanewbie · 02/11/2022 18:05

It’s interesting, I remember actually a few threads about this and the overall conclusion was that you have to allow access if notified in advance.
I’m happy to be wrong.

You are wrong. The law says you do not need to allow viewings regardless of what a contract says.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/11/2022 20:12

You absolutely don’t have to let anyone in. Doesn’t matter about rent agreement.

I think you should totally refuse.

I had to let people view a flat when we had a tiny baby (they’d allowed us to break the tenancy early on this condition, that we allowed viewings) and it was a nightmare. Always Co incided with just when baby had gone to sleep and I wanted to sleep too!

3partypics · 02/11/2022 20:22

When we were renting we viewed loads of flats that clearly weren't tidied beforehand, one memorable viewing we'd made it all round the flat before getting to the bathroom and the guy who lived there was just standing in a towel brushing his teeth! Loads of others with people's pants still hanging to dry/dirty breakfast plates round the kitchen etc. So on that basis I wouldn't worry about tidying too much, it's not like it's you who's trying to sell!

CocoFifi · 07/11/2022 18:03

toastedcat · 02/11/2022 19:43

Did you read my post? I've let them have viewings three times already!

Yes I saw your post. Three viewings isn’t exactly a lot! Be helpful, rather than making barriers

nervousgiggler · 07/11/2022 18:04

CocoFifi · 07/11/2022 18:03

Yes I saw your post. Three viewings isn’t exactly a lot! Be helpful, rather than making barriers

Three block viewing slots for 2.5 hours where I had to leave the house with my baby. That is definitely more than enough!

CocoFifi · 09/11/2022 09:31

nervousgiggler · 07/11/2022 18:04

Three block viewing slots for 2.5 hours where I had to leave the house with my baby. That is definitely more than enough!

You don’t have to leave, that is your decision. You seem to want it all ways. Try being reasonable, it works wonders

Thefriendlyone · 09/11/2022 09:37

Landlords are hated on here, posters who rent are strongly encouraged by the same posters to make life as difficult as possible for them, refuse viewings , don’t leave wait to be evicted etc, for some reason it’s perceived it’s the landlords fault they need to rent. They are paying the landlords mortgage, thr landlord is greedy so you should fuck with them hard.

personally if they’ve been a good landlord I’d allow the viewings at times that were convenient to me. I’d not worry about cleaning etc unless the house is minging.

toastedcat · 09/11/2022 09:38

@CocoFifi Lol. Spot the professional landlord.

You are also the only person to have had this opinion, if you read the thread.

I pay £1750 a month to live in my home, and I've been reasonable for them three times. Enough is enough. It was overpriced and they'll have a better chance of renting it when it's empty so people don't notice how cramped it is.

Try being empathetic and compassionate instead of greedy. It works wonders 👍

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 09/11/2022 09:39

You are not being unreasonable at all. Tell them NO about Saturday as you will be in the middle of packing. They can wait now.

SkylightSkylight · 09/11/2022 09:39

underneaththeash · 01/11/2022 10:57

I definitely wouldn’t bother. Just say you’re starting to pack now for the mice so it will be even more cluttered than usual.

Tell the mice to do their own packing!!

@toastedcat Have the agents actually asked you to do another open day?

Thefriendlyone · 09/11/2022 09:40

toastedcat · 09/11/2022 09:38

@CocoFifi Lol. Spot the professional landlord.

You are also the only person to have had this opinion, if you read the thread.

I pay £1750 a month to live in my home, and I've been reasonable for them three times. Enough is enough. It was overpriced and they'll have a better chance of renting it when it's empty so people don't notice how cramped it is.

Try being empathetic and compassionate instead of greedy. It works wonders 👍

Yeah ok this was just a thread to have a go at landlords wasn’t it. Sigh

ABJ100 · 09/11/2022 09:40

I would do exactly that, in fact I did. Two weeks before we were due to leave we refused viewings. Our landlord refused to provide a reference although we had already secured our next place. There wasn't any benefit for us so we refused and there wasn't anything they could do.

SkylightSkylight · 09/11/2022 09:42

Poppyseed14 · 01/11/2022 19:54

What does your tenancy agreement say OP? Many will include a clause about access for viewings.

Which they cannot enforce.

SkylightSkylight · 09/11/2022 09:44

Arenanewbie · 02/11/2022 17:21

I think you can’t refuse. We were in a similar situation and I’ve posted here and was told that probably not, checked our agreement and yes, it was true. You should be notified in advance but that’s all. And of course you are not obliged to clean and tidy up ( of course I did, huge headache)
Go back to EAs and tell them that the place is a mess as you are packing and it would be more practical to do a viewing after you left. I did this when they wanted to redo photos for selling and they agreed. However they might disagree because for many viewers your boxes won’t matter, especially if it’s for renting not for buying.

It doesn't matter what's in a contract. They can't contract out of the law.

SkylightSkylight · 09/11/2022 09:45

Arenanewbie · 02/11/2022 18:05

It’s interesting, I remember actually a few threads about this and the overall conclusion was that you have to allow access if notified in advance.
I’m happy to be wrong.

It's great you're happy to be wrong, because you are.

CocoFifi · 09/11/2022 09:45

toastedcat · 09/11/2022 09:38

@CocoFifi Lol. Spot the professional landlord.

You are also the only person to have had this opinion, if you read the thread.

I pay £1750 a month to live in my home, and I've been reasonable for them three times. Enough is enough. It was overpriced and they'll have a better chance of renting it when it's empty so people don't notice how cramped it is.

Try being empathetic and compassionate instead of greedy. It works wonders 👍

Have you ever heard the saying never assume!! Not a landlord. Just live in the real world and probably a bit older and wiser than you. If you are reasonable with people, they are generally reasonable with you. Your landlord will probably have a mortgage to pay. Viewings are all part of the inconvenience of moving. I think you need to grow up and live in the real world!!

YukoandHiro · 09/11/2022 09:47

I would allow viewings but say you're now packing for your move and the state of the property will reflect that. They can hardly object.

toastedcat · 09/11/2022 09:50

@CocoFifi So how many open days would you suggest I do for them? When does it stop?

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Honeyroar · 09/11/2022 09:50

I’d just carry on with your lives, do your packing, stack your boxes, don’t tidy the toys away, don’t go out. It might actually put the landlord/agent off showing people round while it looks cluttered!

CocoFifi · 09/11/2022 09:53

toastedcat · 09/11/2022 09:50

@CocoFifi So how many open days would you suggest I do for them? When does it stop?

It stops when you move out. Everyone has to have viewings if they are letting or selling.

FortunesFavour · 09/11/2022 09:53

We were in a v similar situation a couple of months ago. You can absolutely push back. Similar to you, we got the house viewing ready on 2 separate Saturdays, but then the agents kept calling asking for further ad-hoc viewings. We then politely declined pointing out that we’d be in uproar packing and they’d now have to wait for us to move out. Like us, you’ve already been polite and accommodating - it’s ok to follow up now with asking them to wait. You are well within your rights to do this irrespective of what the tenancy might say - “quiet enjoyment” as a pp stated.

good luck with the move - it’s an all round horror!!

toastedcat · 09/11/2022 09:56

@CocoFifi Yes, everyone has to have viewings. And when they arrive and realise the house has been oversold, they won't rent it. So we are the collateral damage, having to have people traipse through our house which looks nothing like the pictures. (Pictures are what it looks like empty).

They've had three attempts to let it, no one wants it. We're moving out and they can rent it then. I can't believe you really think you'd be ok with having people trudging through your house every few days just so the landlord doesn't have to wait a week to let it when it's empty.

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