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Drugs and my mum

49 replies

stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 16:28

I would appreciate hearing the views of other people on this because I honestly have no idea whether or not I am being unreasonable and feel that other perspective is needed.

Long post, I am sorry. I will be really grateful for any advice or comments that are shared here.

So for context, I have recently finished a postgrad university degree - I am a mature student - age 30. I have moved in with my Mum for 2.5 months, until early Jan when I will move to my new place.

She is 69 and has both memory and concentration issues that sometimes are very bad and other times a lot better. She has pretty much always been this way but things have definitely worsened as of late.

Last night when we were about to sit down to dinner she started behaving strangely and I knew that something was up. She was sort of eyeballing me and shuffling around in the corner of the living room trying (poorly) to disguise whatever it was she was going. I noticed that she put on a pair of kind of fancy shoes that she doesn't ordinarily wear, and then wander off.

A few minutes later I went to go and grab my phone charger and walked in on her (didn't know which room she was in) counting a load of cash. It looked to be around £200. She shrieked when she saw me and tried to cover it up but I had evidently already seen it. I apologised for startling her and left the room.

She then shoved the envelope up her top (thinking I had not seen) and, whilst all of this was going on she was receiving a constant stream of audible text message notifications. Not like her to receive so many texts at once and I could see from afar that they were very short messages of between 1-3 words, so perhaps arranging a time and place to meet?

I then said to her 'if you would rather go and meet whoever you were planning to see then we can eat this later and warm it up -- I really don't mind' (we were having a takeaway and it arrived much earlier than both of us were anticipating).

She got a little flustered and I just asked her straight up 'are you going to meet a dealer?' 'are you off to buy coke or codeine phosphate'? I said I did not judge her but that I would appreciate her honesty.

She got very upset and irritable and told me that she was always careful, and that she did not want to me made to feel accountable to me in her own home.

Fair enough. She is an independent and autonomous adult and I don't wish to encourage on her freedoms or choices. However -- she lives in an area that is not all that safe, particularly at night, and apart from worrying about her safety going out to meet goodness knows who to buy goodness knows what when its dark makes me extremely uncomfortable, especially given her other vulnerabilities. She also demanded to know 'why' I had asked her if she was going to buy drugs and said angrily 'have you been going through my things?!' this is in my view, tantamount to an admission, and I had absolutely not gone through any of her things.

I think she thinks I am puritanical as I don't do drugs or drink or anything like that. She took drugs throughout my childhood but was always very functional and ran her own small and somewhat business. The picture is different now though and she struggles with quite a lot of things due to her memory and concentration issues. She lives in sheltered housing and whilst she is okay financially she certainly does need to keep an eye on things as she is not exactly flush. Another worry there, because I don't see how she can afford to spend £200 on drugs. I don't judge her -- she has had an extremely difficult life. But I evidently don't think this is the answer.

I am really upset to be honest. This is triggering for me because of my childhood experiences with this. But also because she is now a pensioner and still behaving like she is 19 and being (in my view) totally reckless. I understand that she is very afraid of ageing because she has been vocal about it. She also has hypertension and arthritis, as well as a more recent health issue with daily bladder incontinence. I wish she would take more care of her health.

We only have each other -- no other family at all to speak of, so I really feel quite responsible for her in lots of ways and I worry so much about the prospect of losing her.

AIBU in trying to gently and kindly but firmly challenge these choices and behaviours?

Should I just leave her to it (which would make me very sad and also super worried for her health and wellbeing). I don't want to push her away or be infantilising and oppressive, but I am really at a loss as to what to do now.

Thank you for reading and for any advice!

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TheSausageKingofChicago · 29/10/2022 17:36

Yes, financially, or potentially being used as a runner or similar. It’s just the stream of texts and popping out at odd times that rang alarm bells for me. Also maybe ‘friends/boyfriends’ who don’t have her best interests at heart.

I’d definitely look into a social worker. I’m not vastly experienced in that area but it sounds like she may need a bit of support, and sadly as family you can’t always be the best person.

Take care of yourself too - this is a hard situation to be in.

Boomboomboomboom · 29/10/2022 17:37

I'm surprised you are allowed to stay with her in sheltered housing as most prohibit it for those under a certain age.

I agree with others she sounds at risk of exploitation (cuckooing and county lines) if you weren't there but there is something of a double edge sword in notifying SS as they may inform her landlord who will take a very dim view of drug taking in the property. They may of course all work with her? But ultimately if she doesn't want to stop, no interventions will help.

stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 17:42

TheSausageKingofChicago · 29/10/2022 17:36

Yes, financially, or potentially being used as a runner or similar. It’s just the stream of texts and popping out at odd times that rang alarm bells for me. Also maybe ‘friends/boyfriends’ who don’t have her best interests at heart.

I’d definitely look into a social worker. I’m not vastly experienced in that area but it sounds like she may need a bit of support, and sadly as family you can’t always be the best person.

Take care of yourself too - this is a hard situation to be in.

Oh god. I had not even thought about this as a possibility. Re the runner or similar. But yes -- you have a point and I am going to spend the rest of this evening working out a plan for the best way forward.

I appreciate your suggestions and supportive words, thank you!

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stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 17:45

Boomboomboomboom · 29/10/2022 17:37

I'm surprised you are allowed to stay with her in sheltered housing as most prohibit it for those under a certain age.

I agree with others she sounds at risk of exploitation (cuckooing and county lines) if you weren't there but there is something of a double edge sword in notifying SS as they may inform her landlord who will take a very dim view of drug taking in the property. They may of course all work with her? But ultimately if she doesn't want to stop, no interventions will help.

I am not allowed to stay with her, but there are guest rooms where she lives and these can be used by friends and family of those who are residents there. So Whilst I am not sleeping in her flat I am there quite a bit at the moment, for dinner etc. Still out a lot in the daytime though.

I am very worried that informing SS will mean she has to move from her property, which will be not only very upsetting for her and cause set backs in her concentration and memory issues, but also mean that she does not have anywhere else to go.

Feels like a real catch 22 problem now. I can't just leave her like this, not unless she agrees to relinquish some of her much guarded privacy and let me into her life a little more so that I can keep on eye. But equally I am scared to contact SS as I don't know what the consequences will be.

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girlmom21 · 29/10/2022 17:52

She also demanded to know 'why' I had asked her if she was going to buy drugs and said angrily 'have you been going through my things?!' this is in my view, tantamount to an admission

But it wasn't an admission. Why would she put on fancy shoes to go and buy drugs? Why would she have £200? Are you sure it's drugs and not sex?

TheSausageKingofChicago · 29/10/2022 17:53

It’s a very delicate situation, isn’t it? I think all you can do is approach it from a position of concern, rather than confrontation.
Your mum knows you know and is hiding it from you. Why? She is probably a bit in denial/minimising herself, and also worried about your reaction and consequences. She won’t want your disapproval.
It’s hard because you are bound to feel angry and upset but expressing that will only make her shut you out more.

Sorry to have planted that seed of worry in your mind - it could be way off the mark, but unfortunately while drugs are illegal (and that’s a whole other discussion) they bring people into contact with a rather murky world. Hopefully it’s not that but it’s worth keeping an eye on.

BMW6 · 29/10/2022 17:56

OP she is probably dealing drugs to fund her own addiction - it is an expensive habit and the more you use the more you have to use to get the same effect.

It would be great if she could break free of it, but she has to really really want to be clean and even then it's a hard road and relapses are extremely likely.

Of course, you love your Mum and will continue to do so, but I'd suggest you love her at "arms length" with some boundaries. Talk to her, tell her how you feel. But prepare yourself for worry and heartache.

stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:27

girlmom21 · 29/10/2022 17:52

She also demanded to know 'why' I had asked her if she was going to buy drugs and said angrily 'have you been going through my things?!' this is in my view, tantamount to an admission

But it wasn't an admission. Why would she put on fancy shoes to go and buy drugs? Why would she have £200? Are you sure it's drugs and not sex?

As in selling sex or buying sex?! But how would this explain her taking cash out with her.

I think her putting on the shoes was her trying to look as though she makes something of an effort with her appearance (even to a dealer) as the rest of it is a bit lacking at the moment. But who knows.

She has often favoured using cash over other means of payment, she is not very tech savvy and doesn't even like using cash points really. Internet banking is completely beyond her.

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girlmom21 · 29/10/2022 19:30

@stillorsparkling10 selling would be my assumption. Maybe she needed to give it to a pimp. I could be way off the mark and I hope I am. It just made more sense to me because of the shoes.

stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:32

TheSausageKingofChicago · 29/10/2022 17:53

It’s a very delicate situation, isn’t it? I think all you can do is approach it from a position of concern, rather than confrontation.
Your mum knows you know and is hiding it from you. Why? She is probably a bit in denial/minimising herself, and also worried about your reaction and consequences. She won’t want your disapproval.
It’s hard because you are bound to feel angry and upset but expressing that will only make her shut you out more.

Sorry to have planted that seed of worry in your mind - it could be way off the mark, but unfortunately while drugs are illegal (and that’s a whole other discussion) they bring people into contact with a rather murky world. Hopefully it’s not that but it’s worth keeping an eye on.

Yes, it is :(

I think you are right, and that is the approach that I want to take anyway, one of concern rather than confrontation. But it is all so very hard. She is definitely highly sensitive to any criticism or even perceived criticism, so I often tread carefully around that. Direct confrontation tends to have a very negative impact.

I am angry. I am upset. But I am trying to put her needs first and now my own. I know she is just a human being and none of us are perfect, I am far from perfect, but I suppose I think its a reasonable expectation that your mother does not do drugs. At the risk of centring myself, I just want to yell at her 'what about me?! Don't you realise how selfish this is and that it is making me sick with worry?!" but of course I will do no such thing.

How dysfunctional this all is.

No please don't worry about planting that seed of worry, I would rather have different potential scenarios in my mind so that I know how best to tackle this.

I wish I knew who was dealing to her.

What kind of a person deals to a (clearly very vulnerable) nearly 70 year old woman who looks about 85 and cannot properly hold a conversation for more than a couple of mins because she zones out?!

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LuckyLil · 29/10/2022 19:35

Spending £200 a time on Class A drugs at 69 years old while living in sheltered housing isn't something I can see being sustainable or ending terribly well.

iveseenitinthemovies · 29/10/2022 19:35

There should be a local drug support organisation in your town. Start by calling them. Hopefully they will be able to inform you of any possible consequences that may arise using available support routes.

stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:36

BMW6 · 29/10/2022 17:56

OP she is probably dealing drugs to fund her own addiction - it is an expensive habit and the more you use the more you have to use to get the same effect.

It would be great if she could break free of it, but she has to really really want to be clean and even then it's a hard road and relapses are extremely likely.

Of course, you love your Mum and will continue to do so, but I'd suggest you love her at "arms length" with some boundaries. Talk to her, tell her how you feel. But prepare yourself for worry and heartache.

Lordddd.

I would be very surprised if she was dealing because I have spent so much time with her over the last month that I do not know when she would find the time. She is quite slow to execute even the simplest of tasks that ought to be done quickly, so feels unlikely. But, perhaps.

I can't love her from arms length, as has been suggested by a couple of posters. I would miss her far too much and I would be lonely.

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stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:36

LuckyLil · 29/10/2022 19:35

Spending £200 a time on Class A drugs at 69 years old while living in sheltered housing isn't something I can see being sustainable or ending terribly well.

No, me neither. I suspect that things have been this way for a long time already though...

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stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:38

iveseenitinthemovies · 29/10/2022 19:35

There should be a local drug support organisation in your town. Start by calling them. Hopefully they will be able to inform you of any possible consequences that may arise using available support routes.

Thank you! I have put this on my list of things to do and support to explore as a result of suggestions on this thread.

I appreciate the suggestion.

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stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:41

girlmom21 · 29/10/2022 19:30

@stillorsparkling10 selling would be my assumption. Maybe she needed to give it to a pimp. I could be way off the mark and I hope I am. It just made more sense to me because of the shoes.

I mean, yes, this is not completely outside the realm of possibility unfortunately.

I suppose the only way go know for sure is to access her phone and see who she was texting last night. I do know the passcode (I think), but this feels like a huge invasion of her privacy and I know she would go mad and be very upset if she found out. She already has trust issues.

I don't know if I can rationalise looking through her phone - or even just searching for that particular message - but god I really want to as I think it will provide some answers. I would then also have the dealers number and I could just ask them myself not to deal to my Mum. I know this will sound crazy to some of you and some might lecture me on my own personal safety. But that is what I want to do.

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girlmom21 · 29/10/2022 19:46

The problem is if you stop her speaking to whoever she speaks to, whether it's a dealer or anyone else, she'll just find someone else to have the same conversations with.

Unless you can get real, proper help for her, and she wants you to do so, you're in a really shit situation.

NancyJoan · 29/10/2022 19:51

What happened after this conversation? Did she go out last night? Did she seem to be on drugs when she got back?
Have you talked about it further today?

TheSausageKingofChicago · 29/10/2022 19:53

stillorsparkling10 · 29/10/2022 19:32

Yes, it is :(

I think you are right, and that is the approach that I want to take anyway, one of concern rather than confrontation. But it is all so very hard. She is definitely highly sensitive to any criticism or even perceived criticism, so I often tread carefully around that. Direct confrontation tends to have a very negative impact.

I am angry. I am upset. But I am trying to put her needs first and now my own. I know she is just a human being and none of us are perfect, I am far from perfect, but I suppose I think its a reasonable expectation that your mother does not do drugs. At the risk of centring myself, I just want to yell at her 'what about me?! Don't you realise how selfish this is and that it is making me sick with worry?!" but of course I will do no such thing.

How dysfunctional this all is.

No please don't worry about planting that seed of worry, I would rather have different potential scenarios in my mind so that I know how best to tackle this.

I wish I knew who was dealing to her.

What kind of a person deals to a (clearly very vulnerable) nearly 70 year old woman who looks about 85 and cannot properly hold a conversation for more than a couple of mins because she zones out?!

Dealers have no ethics unfortunately:(

It is really hard when someone you love is tied up in this world. I’m so sorry for you. And yes, you do want to scream ‘what about me?!’ Especially if it’s your mum. I can’t imagine the pain you are feeling.

Your local drug and alcohol service should be able to offer support for you too - and advise on things like not enabling, what services are available, SS intervention etc

Her being in sheltered housing does offer some protection, so you can take some small comfort from that. A PP mentioned cuckooing (where dealers take over a vulnerable person’s home) but that is highly unlikely in her living circumstances thankfully.

dottycat123 · 29/10/2022 20:30

My job brings me into contact with substance misusers and we do see older people now who have been using for decades. The issue around accessing help will be difficult if she has capacity to make unwise decisions and doesn't want to make changes. Social services are likely to advise contacting local substance misuse services who will help her if she wants, as she is coping living in her accomodation it's unclear what her social care needs are. If there is evidence that she is being exploited then she could be considered vulnerable but age alone wouldn't indicate this. At the age of 69 if she has misused drugs for years she may have some cognitive loss as a consequence. You need to consider if she has taken drugs for decades she is unlikely to want to stop in later life. You can support her but need to remind yourself that unless she wants things to be different you cannot fix this.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/10/2022 21:21

I would then also have the dealers number and I could just ask them myself not to deal to my Mum. I know this will sound crazy to some of you and some might lecture me on my own personal safety. But that is what I want to do.

This is crazy and an horrible, horrible idea. You could put your mother at even greater risk because she will not stop in trying to get her drug of choice. You would force her to deal with people she doesn't know who could be very dangerous. I'm sure this is very hard, but you can't fix this, op. You can't make your mother not be an addict.

FrozenGhost · 29/10/2022 21:44

I think you have to take a step back. If an adult wants to take drugs, they will. Staying elsewhere would make it easier to do that. Some of your critisism of her isn't very fair, she's "not exactly flush", well neither are you and you are prime working age. "She lives in sheltered housing" - so do you!

stillorsparkling10 · 30/10/2022 08:09

FrozenGhost · 29/10/2022 21:44

I think you have to take a step back. If an adult wants to take drugs, they will. Staying elsewhere would make it easier to do that. Some of your critisism of her isn't very fair, she's "not exactly flush", well neither are you and you are prime working age. "She lives in sheltered housing" - so do you!

Please note that me saying "she is not exactly flush" and that she lives in sheltered housing are not criticisms, far from it. They are merely statements of fact. I don't know what else to tell you.

Anyway -- last night she kicked me out so those of you who said that I ought to keep my distance were right.

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ChimChimeny · 30/10/2022 17:43

I'm really sorry to hear that @stillorsparkling10 I don't have any advice but I'll give you an unmumsnetty hug ❤

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