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To think Suella Braverman probably likes being called Cruella?

48 replies

Owlcation · 27/10/2022 09:08

Because it’s a name that might make her feel powerful and well-known (popular for being villainous)… like Cruella. Is it too much of a leap that she already embraced “Suella Cruella” well before getting into politics? Probably at school?

I just don’t understand Suella Braverman. Sorry to those who like her. But she comes across as being strange… and not a good person either (I was surprised she claimed to be Buddhist, which I thought was concerned with compassion?!).

I don’t think she understands that getting a reputation as “Cruella” is not likely to end well for her. She’s an open target for controversy - and maybe that’s why Sunak used her to deflect attention away from himself.

And this is worrying… “Former Tory chairman Sir Jake Berry has claimed Suella Braverman committed “multiple breaches of the ministerial code” as the Prime Minister faces a backlash over reinstating her Cabinet role.“

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Owlcation · 27/10/2022 17:50

Bacibaci · 27/10/2022 17:39

I read a commentator say that Sunak and Hunt are happy to let Braverman and Badenoch be in cabinet and stir up horrid culture wars to deflect from the economic choices by Sunak and Hunt which they have already said will include further cuts to public spending.

They will not tell the truth that big public spending cuts are not necessary. There are alternative ways of funding. According to the Sunday Times rich list a couple of years ago the richest 1000 people in the U.K. - many who fund the Tories - have increased their wealth by £500 billion since 2009. It will be even higher now as during Covid the U.K. created a record number of billionaires as wealth surged despite a time of economic turmoil. When the govt and central bank have stepped in with huge fiscal and monetary interventions in recent years so much of it adds to the fortunes of the wealthy. Introduce a wealth tax and also make energy producers pay a windfall tax before even thinking of spending cuts on public services which have already been cut to the bone under austerity.

Was Braverman really the best way to deflect?

I think the Braverman issue raises questions about Sunak’s judgement and credibility… that’s not good for him.

It’ll go from Braverman and her multiple security breaches raising concerns. Then… escalate when the economic choices are revealed too.

Bring Braverman back was foolish.

Suella Braverman's Made People Mad (Again) – But Now The Home Office Twitter Account Is Involved: "The civil service needs to stop posting these stupid tweets."

Having a thick skin might not be all rosy for Sue Ellen Braverman…

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Blossomtoes · 27/10/2022 17:55

I prefer Ian Hislip’s variation - Nutella.

Lindengericht · 30/10/2022 18:32

@Owlcation to quote my mother, 'she gets the job done.'

And then there was a rant about Albanians being processed and put on a plane back to Albania within 72 hours, as if that was an achievement to be proud of.

It makes me very sad that a) these people are in charge of the country b) people like my mother (who is for the most part, a very kind person) hang on their every word.

HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 18:44

LaGioconda · 27/10/2022 15:46

Unfair to lawyers. Yes, she's qualified as a lawyer, but she's a very poor lawyer, otherwise she couldn't have constantly given the government such bad and incorrect advice when she was attorney-general. Her performance when she insisted on appearing for the crown before the courts was so bad it was embarrassing.

Indeed. A very good friend of mine has worked closely with her and describes her as "Incompetent. And vindictive."

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 18:54

Lindengericht · 30/10/2022 18:32

@Owlcation to quote my mother, 'she gets the job done.'

And then there was a rant about Albanians being processed and put on a plane back to Albania within 72 hours, as if that was an achievement to be proud of.

It makes me very sad that a) these people are in charge of the country b) people like my mother (who is for the most part, a very kind person) hang on their every word.

The recent news suggests she “she gets the job done clumsily.

Leaky Sue is not a good nick name when you’re the Home Secretary and in charge of security.

I’m sure she prefers Cruella to Leaky Sue.

At least Cruella commands power, a force to be reckoned with and is to be feared.

Leaky Sue sounds a bit… incompetent for the role of HS.

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Owlcation · 30/10/2022 18:56

That was supposed to be… “she gets the job done clumsily.”

The irony.

But it happens when you’re in a rush and trying to get things done too fast.

More haste, less speed.

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limitedperiodonly · 30/10/2022 19:05

Her loyalty is to herself and the right wing people who prop her up. Sending that email was an incredibly serious breach of security and Rishi Sunak showed how weak he was and desperate to appeal to people on the right wing of the Tory Party in re-appointing her.

She is also incompetent and as a lawyer I wouldn't trust her to do the conveyancing on my holiday home in Rwanda.

yubgummy · 30/10/2022 19:08

I know a few people who've met her. Their impression was that she's very warm and kind.

thecritic.co.uk/conflict-and-the-need-for-clarity/ - this is an interesting speech she gave to Policy Exchange a few months ago, where she talks about the rights conflicts involved in deportation of foreign criminals, gender ideology in schools, and controversial protesters such as Just Stop Oil.

HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 19:33

I know a few people who've met her. Their impression was that she's very warm and kind.

My friend said something similar when they first met her. Then they worked with her on a regular basis and quickly changed their mind as it became clear that not only is she incompetent but she's also a nasty piece of work.

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 20:01

yubgummy · 30/10/2022 19:08

I know a few people who've met her. Their impression was that she's very warm and kind.

thecritic.co.uk/conflict-and-the-need-for-clarity/ - this is an interesting speech she gave to Policy Exchange a few months ago, where she talks about the rights conflicts involved in deportation of foreign criminals, gender ideology in schools, and controversial protesters such as Just Stop Oil.

Thank you for that speech. It’s very interesting, thought-provoking and thorough.

It shows she has thought about her position in depth. And she maybe is coming from a place that she believes is good and healthy to bring discipline to the judiciary.

“No matter what side of the debate one takes on the scope of fundamental rights, and what the law ought to be, the primary and legitimate vehicle to resolve disagreement is Parliament. The reason for this is simple and yet profound: it is because our Parliament is elected by the people, for the people, to enable self-government.
Parliament — the voice of the people and the original source of law — must answer these profound questions. And clarity of law is vital to achieve that goal.”

That’s interesting… because I would argue it’s a combination of parliament and the judiciary. There needs to be checks and balances.

Sounds like she’s a utilitarian. That sounds compelling in principle, but it’s also how minorities end up suffering injustices. There has to checks and balances.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 20:12

Thank you for that speech. It’s very interesting, thought-provoking and thorough. It shows she has thought about her position in depth.

You realise that she didn't write the speech? It shows the speech-writer has thought about the position in depth. Don't conflate the two.

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 20:21

HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 20:12

Thank you for that speech. It’s very interesting, thought-provoking and thorough. It shows she has thought about her position in depth.

You realise that she didn't write the speech? It shows the speech-writer has thought about the position in depth. Don't conflate the two.

I thought it stated the author was Suella Braverman?

No mention of a speech writer.

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Blossomtoes · 30/10/2022 20:26

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 20:21

I thought it stated the author was Suella Braverman?

No mention of a speech writer.

You think these people write their own speeches?

MichaelFabricantsWig · 30/10/2022 20:28

Her teachers renamed her as Sue Ellen wasn't posh enough allegedly.

walkersareback · 30/10/2022 20:33

Blossomtoes · 27/10/2022 17:55

I prefer Ian Hislip’s variation - Nutella.

Love this

newnamethanks · 30/10/2022 20:36

Her teachers111 re named her? Pull the other one Swellen. I bet her cellar is stuffed full of spotty puppies.

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 20:53

Blossomtoes · 30/10/2022 20:26

You think these people write their own speeches?

Literally went off the credits in the article given. Reasonable to assume it would name the speech writer too if there was one.

Conflict and the need for clarity
On equalities and rights

ARTILLERY ROW
By
Suella Braverman
10 August, 2022

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Blossomtoes · 30/10/2022 20:57

I wrote speeches for politicians for 20 years. No speech writer ever gets credited or wants to be.

HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 21:04

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 20:53

Literally went off the credits in the article given. Reasonable to assume it would name the speech writer too if there was one.

Conflict and the need for clarity
On equalities and rights

ARTILLERY ROW
By
Suella Braverman
10 August, 2022

You're being a little naive. Speechwriters don't usually get credit.

Do you seriously think senior politicians or govt officials write their own speeches??? When do you think they'd have the time to do any actual work?

Owlcation · 30/10/2022 21:13

HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 21:04

You're being a little naive. Speechwriters don't usually get credit.

Do you seriously think senior politicians or govt officials write their own speeches??? When do you think they'd have the time to do any actual work?

Speechwriting is work too… no?!

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Blossomtoes · 30/10/2022 21:18

Speech writing is definitely work. It requires a degree of intellect and skill which most politicians don’t possess.

newnamethanks · 30/10/2022 21:34

My son, aged around 15, snottily remarked about a singer who didn't write his own songs. He was amazed (how had I left such a gap in his knowledge?) to find out that there were such folk as songwriters, lyricists and composers who often combined their talents to produce a song for someone else to sing. Similar with politicians and speeches. Imagine Nadine extempore and unleashed. Or Cruella. Not to be borne.

LaGioconda · 31/10/2022 08:50

HundredMilesAnHour · 30/10/2022 19:33

I know a few people who've met her. Their impression was that she's very warm and kind.

My friend said something similar when they first met her. Then they worked with her on a regular basis and quickly changed their mind as it became clear that not only is she incompetent but she's also a nasty piece of work.

It would appear that she's either quite good at acting or that being kind is just too much effort for her to keep up for more than a few minutes.

Certainly no-one who is kind could possibly have signed off on the current situation at Manston and refused to comply with her legal and humanitarian obligations. She needs to be brought into Parliament to answer questions about each and every person who has been held there for longer than the statutory 24 hours, and should be held fully accountable for every case there of diphtheria and worse.

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