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To be fed up of living in the U.K. but have no other options?

197 replies

Cuppasoupmonster · 26/10/2022 21:13

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Anyone else?

OP posts:
bumblefeline · 27/10/2022 10:45

Why Scotland? I can't wait to leave the place when visiting family.

Hankunamatata · 27/10/2022 10:49

Move to cheaper area of the UK?

Hankunamatata · 27/10/2022 10:50

Northern Ireland and live near irish border?

Lifelessordinary1 · 27/10/2022 10:50

I feel the same about this country - it has gradually become a very unpleasant place to live over the last 20 years or so

My qualification is also not transferable as it is based on our legal system but even then, i would leave if it was not for my family and friends - if we could all go then i would leave in a heartbeat but ultimately those relationships are way more important than any of things i dislike about the UK.

mamabear715 · 27/10/2022 10:51

Wow. Don't think I could live anywhere else.

RudsyFarmer · 27/10/2022 10:55

CongratulationsBeautiful · 27/10/2022 08:26

I don't blame you OP. I know people always have something to to complain about but I genuinely think the UK is in a period of long-term decline and it makes me so sad.

This was a really interesting article in The Atlantic that gives a macro perspective on everything: www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/10/uk-economy-disaster-degrowth-brexit/671847/

I think instead if viewing it as the U.K. being in decline I think we have to view it that the West is in decline. We acquired much of our wealth through colonisation and those days are long gone. China is the new super power and has a hundred year plan. We limp from general election to general election, as do most democracies.

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 11:00

Like others said, if other countries don’t want you because you have nothing to offer, then you have nothing to offer this country either

I don't think that is true. I am a lawyer and have a decent enough job here that pays enough for my lifestyle needs. But no other country would want me, because I don't have the right skillset as an English lawyer, with the possible exception of Ireland as I have an Irish qualification too. But pre-Brexit I could have moved somewhere else and got a job doing something else, but now I'd have to have the skills another country needs to get a visa, and I don't.

Tabbouleh · 27/10/2022 11:02

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 11:00

Like others said, if other countries don’t want you because you have nothing to offer, then you have nothing to offer this country either

I don't think that is true. I am a lawyer and have a decent enough job here that pays enough for my lifestyle needs. But no other country would want me, because I don't have the right skillset as an English lawyer, with the possible exception of Ireland as I have an Irish qualification too. But pre-Brexit I could have moved somewhere else and got a job doing something else, but now I'd have to have the skills another country needs to get a visa, and I don't.

Common law is accepted all over the world, isnt it? Including India, Singapore, HK, Malaysia...In fact, people from those countries come to the UK to study and then return to their home countries. Correct me if I am wrong.

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 11:04

Dorisbonson · 26/10/2022 22:05

If it is legal then just work remotely as a sole practitioner via a firm like setfords. Not tricky.

A friend of mine tried to move to France just before the transition period ended, he is a lawyer. He couldn't make it work with his employer and came back after six weeks. It really isn't that easy, although it may well be more difficult in France than some other EU countries. There are some remote worker visas in places like Estonia and Portugal but they are time-limited.

I am too old to emigrate to Australia or Canada. I think I could have managed to get enough points for Canada before I was 45 but once you are over 45 they assume you will cost them too much in healthcare and won't let you in unless you are very wealthy.

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 11:05

Common law is accepted all over the world, isnt it? Including India, Singapore, HK, Malaysia...In fact, people from those countries come to the UK to study and then return to their home countries. Correct me if I am wrong

Yes but they have enough of their own nationals. They don't need Brexit refugees.

Tabbouleh · 27/10/2022 11:07

I used to work in HK with many British qualified lawyers. But a long time ago and things may have changed in re work visas.

LBFseBrom · 27/10/2022 11:10

I like it here and wouldn't live anywhere else.

The grass is always greener and every country has its shabby bits. However it might be nice, when young, to live and work abroad for a while. Not every job requires formal qualifications and an adaptable, enthusiastic person will find something.

Babasghost · 27/10/2022 11:15

I felt the same and moved to Ireland.
My quality of life and standard of living is now much higher.
Mostvprofessions are desperate for people. Especially in the legal field bc the national pastime is feuding and corruption.
Many of these replies were downright spiteful. Just bored men who love shouting at women.

Good luck in finding a new start. The best thing
to do when you feel stuck is to take another step.

DameHelena · 27/10/2022 11:15

Quincythequince · 27/10/2022 06:38

What kind of a skill can only be used in the UK? I am intrigued and have never heard of anything like this.

Everything has transferrable skills. Everything!

The OP has explained this already. Plus I'm not sure why people don't know that actually NOT every skill (or qualification, to be more accurate) is transferrable.

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 27/10/2022 11:23

@Cuppasoupmonster i wasn’t joking when I suggested Scotland. You may find life is kinder to you there , I get it’s not out of the reach of Westminster etc but the Scottish government does a lot more to help people. I have no doubt that there will be independence at some point in the not too distant future. I’m from a Scottish family and married to a Scot, it’s a plan that we have been discussing.

PearlclutchersInc · 27/10/2022 11:24

Love all these people who are whinging about the state of the UK but dont want to leave because of the NHS/benefits/education not to mention their own lack of effort or other shortcomings 🙄

Perhaps mumsnetters from outside the UK could comment if the grass is greener elsewhere?

MarshaMelrose · 27/10/2022 11:24

I feel the same about this country - it has gradually become a very unpleasant place to live over the last 20 years or so.

I think being on MN skews our vision. Because if I don't come on here for a few days because I'm out and about, I find people are friendly and helpful, there are lovely places to visit, there's lot to do and it's an easy society to navigate through. But then I come on MN and people are moaning about everything. Govt, family, schols, eork, cost of living. I ned to leave but I think I have an unhealthy addiction!

notimagain · 27/10/2022 11:25

DameHelena · 27/10/2022 11:15

The OP has explained this already. Plus I'm not sure why people don't know that actually NOT every skill (or qualification, to be more accurate) is transferrable.

Yep...

Aviation is a classic example..

Not unsurprisingly quite a few people in that industry have transferrable skills, from an engineering and other POV such as crew a Boeing is a Boeing, an Airbus etc, but having transferrable qualifications, let alone right to even try to find work cross border is a another matter.

Pippa12 · 27/10/2022 11:31

I’m always abit baffled by threads like this, where is it you want to go?

When I watch the news places in Europe seem to have the same issues as we do, poor economy, healthcare, housing and lack of social care. Inflation issues, cost of living crisis? my parents live abroad and say the price of fuel has quadrupled!

Id love to be abroad for the sunshine, but genuinely don’t know what I could acheive at the moment by upsticks and leaving the UK!? Even Australia/New Zealand which I could easily go to with my qualifications look expensive, without the benefit net when it all goes wrong.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire. What am I honestly missing?

RiverSkater · 27/10/2022 11:40

Maybe you need to give back and be connected to your local community? Voluntary work? I do a running thing via Good Gym (when I'm not injured).

People who are more connected like that are happier overall. We can't change the bigger picture much but we can affect small changes.

Lots of organisations need people - you might get a new perspective on life.

EmmaH2022 · 27/10/2022 11:45

Pippa12 · 27/10/2022 11:31

I’m always abit baffled by threads like this, where is it you want to go?

When I watch the news places in Europe seem to have the same issues as we do, poor economy, healthcare, housing and lack of social care. Inflation issues, cost of living crisis? my parents live abroad and say the price of fuel has quadrupled!

Id love to be abroad for the sunshine, but genuinely don’t know what I could acheive at the moment by upsticks and leaving the UK!? Even Australia/New Zealand which I could easily go to with my qualifications look expensive, without the benefit net when it all goes wrong.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire. What am I honestly missing?

My thoughts too. Often no one wants to say the country. It's weird.

EmmaH2022 · 27/10/2022 11:45

RiverSkater · 27/10/2022 11:40

Maybe you need to give back and be connected to your local community? Voluntary work? I do a running thing via Good Gym (when I'm not injured).

People who are more connected like that are happier overall. We can't change the bigger picture much but we can affect small changes.

Lots of organisations need people - you might get a new perspective on life.

Heyyyyy! I used to do that! 🤗

IhateHermioneGranger · 27/10/2022 11:49

Blueberry40 · 26/10/2022 22:47

I feel the same OP. Long term plan is for us to relocate to Scotland, have completely changed careers with a view to having more transferable abs in demand skills- all being well I should be qualified by next Summer and can start seriously planning a move.

Still in the UK as far as I am aware.

Dorisbonson · 27/10/2022 11:53

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 11:04

A friend of mine tried to move to France just before the transition period ended, he is a lawyer. He couldn't make it work with his employer and came back after six weeks. It really isn't that easy, although it may well be more difficult in France than some other EU countries. There are some remote worker visas in places like Estonia and Portugal but they are time-limited.

I am too old to emigrate to Australia or Canada. I think I could have managed to get enough points for Canada before I was 45 but once you are over 45 they assume you will cost them too much in healthcare and won't let you in unless you are very wealthy.

My conveyancer at Setfords seems to live overseas, certainly in a different time zone. They are all sole practitioners using the Setfords firm for marketing, admin and insurance. So I know it can be done.

Tabbouleh · 27/10/2022 11:55

PearlclutchersInc · 27/10/2022 11:24

Love all these people who are whinging about the state of the UK but dont want to leave because of the NHS/benefits/education not to mention their own lack of effort or other shortcomings 🙄

Perhaps mumsnetters from outside the UK could comment if the grass is greener elsewhere?

I am originally from India:) I don't want to go back even though I would be in the top 1% and lead an extremely luxurious life with house help, a driver, a massive house with pool, sunshine and fabulous private health care. I prefer to do my own housework and live in a society without such rampant inequality and corruption. I miss the food though! And worry about NHS care.