Page 6 | Can anyone tell me honestly that back in the 70s they didn't know.....

Jux · 2022-10-26T17:58:31+00:00

... that hitting your head badly could result in brain damage? And that hitting your head repeatedly, badly or not, could also result in brain damage? I was 12 in 1970; it seemed self-evident that head bang could lead to brain damage. Like a punch the lower back could injure something inside (wasn't sure what, mind, v ignorant of biology at the time!).

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 20:57

And cross country! PE skirt, plimsolls no idea of the route just follow the (hopelessly lost) leader.

We had sheep at school in a pen with electric wire. We'd line up, the first why the actual fuck girl would grab it and the last would fire off in the distance.

Darwinism?

EmmaH2022 · 26/10/2022 20:59

I was born in 76 but I remember in the 80s, my parents used to switch off boxing, saying someone would get killed.

my dad loved watching sports but that and ice hockey was a no from him.

caramac04 · 26/10/2022 20:59

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/10/2022 19:03

Is this going to be a Life In The 70s thread?

Because I was querying recently in my head what Old Money was like and that I have no understanding of it, and also going shopping pre ATMs and Bank Cards, were people just in the bank to get cash every day?

If this is a hijack OP just tell me off!

Wages were paid in cash every week. I was ten when decimalisation came in. I can still convert to old money. No idea what I did this morning though.

walkinginsunshinekat · 26/10/2022 21:00

I don't remember it ever being an issue, i mean heading a football or boxing.

I'm not talking about being knocked out repeatedly but the small micro knocks, which are now associated with long term brain injury etc

But as usual, you can bet the authorities knew the dangers but didn't care, look at Ali? they encouraged him to box even though it was evident he was not well, money was far more important.

Bit like smoking i guess.

JasperJohnsPaintbrush · 26/10/2022 21:01

No, not cash in hand as you think. Rather that most businesses had a wages dept who sorted out your wage, deductions, and printed it all out on to a wages slip, which was then popped into the little brown envelope along with your wages. All above board and legal..

So, not cash in hand as in 'don't tell the tax man'.

beastlyslumber · 26/10/2022 21:02

Octomore · 26/10/2022 19:05

People used to get out enough cash from the branch to last the week.

A few things were also paid for by cheque/postal order.

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A lot of people were paid in cash.

I got paid in cash still in the 80s and 90s.

FarmerRefuted · 26/10/2022 21:03

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 20:57

And cross country! PE skirt, plimsolls no idea of the route just follow the (hopelessly lost) leader.

We had sheep at school in a pen with electric wire. We'd line up, the first why the actual fuck girl would grab it and the last would fire off in the distance.

Darwinism?

Weysed to run far away enough to be out of sight of the aggressively sporty PE teacher then would hide in the housing estate to smoke/eat Polos/do each others hair before trotting into school acting breathless when we saw the rest of the class running past on their way back.

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 21:03

And another. My mother worked, with other ladies, on a farm to bring in extra. We kids were left to run riot amongst machinery, old railway lines and embankments.

One day a sink hole appeared. They called it a doom hole. Les the farmhand took us to it, showed us it, told us it had no bottom and walked off. Like fuck did we.

Can you imagine that today!

Then again, the child attaché case I left at the bus stop one summer morning was taken by the bomb squad as it was late 70's.

I got it back with my colouring stuff and Chalet School books intact.

orangeisthenewpuce · 26/10/2022 21:04

I remember old money and being taught at school about decimalisation, and practising with plastic new money. Sixpence was 2 and a half pence. It was much easier than old money where there were 240 pennies in a pound.

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 21:06

@FarmerRefuted had you perfected the Trisha Yates flick and tut too?

Allergictoironing · 26/10/2022 21:08

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 20:32

Thinking about it, playing hockey at school in the 80's was pretty fucking lethal. Players don't bully off anymore. You only had kit if you were the goalie. No shin pads or gum-shields, just a PE skirt (no Skort) and long socks.

Goalie kit (I was one) was virtually non-existent in the 70's. I wore "kickers" over my normal hockey boots and pads, and that was it! My friend who played for the county would go to town & wear gloves.

MossGrowsFat · 26/10/2022 21:10

Discovereads · 26/10/2022 20:38

They knew a serious head injury could cause traumatic brain injury, but they thought you had to lose consciousness and be diagnosed with a concussion for it to be possible. They did not know about post-concussion syndrome, which is the fact that the brain damage from repeat concussions accumulates over time. They thought you’d get a concussion, a bit of brain damage and then you would heal and be ok and so a fresh slate for the next concussion. They knew boxers and certain high impact athletes had brain damage from repeat concussions, but they thought that was because the concussions were close together on time and there were many of them. So they didn’t know for example, an abused child who had concussions growing up, then hits their head in their 30s could develop PCS.

They also did not know about getting brain injury while wearing a helmet and so never having a visibly serious head injury and never getting a concussion/never losing consciousness how you can still have a brain injury. They didn’t know that while the helmet protects your skull, it doesn’t stop the brain from slamming against the inside of the skull. So that is a type of brain damage they were not aware of until MRIs with contrast were invented. Even now, over half of people in a coma from a head injury will have a normal MRI, so MRIs cannot rule out brain injury, only rule it in.

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This is really interesting

ancientgran · 26/10/2022 21:12

Allergictoironing · 26/10/2022 21:08

Goalie kit (I was one) was virtually non-existent in the 70's. I wore "kickers" over my normal hockey boots and pads, and that was it! My friend who played for the county would go to town & wear gloves.

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I read that as knickers not kickers and I was picturing you with your knickers over your hockey boots and thinking how the hell did you manage that.

ancientgran · 26/10/2022 21:15

Discovereads · 26/10/2022 20:38

They knew a serious head injury could cause traumatic brain injury, but they thought you had to lose consciousness and be diagnosed with a concussion for it to be possible. They did not know about post-concussion syndrome, which is the fact that the brain damage from repeat concussions accumulates over time. They thought you’d get a concussion, a bit of brain damage and then you would heal and be ok and so a fresh slate for the next concussion. They knew boxers and certain high impact athletes had brain damage from repeat concussions, but they thought that was because the concussions were close together on time and there were many of them. So they didn’t know for example, an abused child who had concussions growing up, then hits their head in their 30s could develop PCS.

They also did not know about getting brain injury while wearing a helmet and so never having a visibly serious head injury and never getting a concussion/never losing consciousness how you can still have a brain injury. They didn’t know that while the helmet protects your skull, it doesn’t stop the brain from slamming against the inside of the skull. So that is a type of brain damage they were not aware of until MRIs with contrast were invented. Even now, over half of people in a coma from a head injury will have a normal MRI, so MRIs cannot rule out brain injury, only rule it in.

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So do you think they ignored the experiments they did in the concentration camps. The documentary I saw was definitely showing them repeatedly causing head injuries and measuring the mental deterioration of the victim. I saw the documentary in the mid 70s.

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 26/10/2022 21:15

I don't understand why people are harping on about being paid cash or using cash machines.

Your thread is about being hit, repeatedly, on the head.

I was born in the 60s . I recall big boxing matches ... George Formby, Mohammed Ali, Joe Frasier etc... and it wasn't really talked about in the 70s.
When Ali started to deteriorate, health wise and seemed a bit befuddled, comments were made.

I think it was much later that a connection was made once some of the great boxers of old started to die early or become victims of Alzheimer's/Dementia at a younger than average age.

viques · 26/10/2022 21:15

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/10/2022 19:03

Is this going to be a Life In The 70s thread?

Because I was querying recently in my head what Old Money was like and that I have no understanding of it, and also going shopping pre ATMs and Bank Cards, were people just in the bank to get cash every day?

If this is a hijack OP just tell me off!

We had cheques, some , not all, people had credit cards that would be put through little machines in shops. And yes, we did use cash more, no bad thing on reflection, when you got down to your last few quid you had to stop spending.

NoMoreLifts · 26/10/2022 21:16

Octomore · 26/10/2022 19:05

People used to get out enough cash from the branch to last the week.

A few things were also paid for by cheque/postal order.

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Loads of jobs paid cash, weekly, in an envelope with your pay info written on it.

viques · 26/10/2022 21:19

Allergictoironing · 26/10/2022 21:08

Goalie kit (I was one) was virtually non-existent in the 70's. I wore "kickers" over my normal hockey boots and pads, and that was it! My friend who played for the county would go to town & wear gloves.

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Agree, we had some vicious players who could send that ball hurling at you like a rocket, how we all kept our teeth I don’t know ( actually I do know, we were very apathetic and spent most of our hockey time trying to look busy but in reality lurking as far away from the good players as possible)

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 21:20

Don't be a grump @wherearebeefandonioncrisps OP hasn't been back so we can take the thread where it goes.

saraclara · 26/10/2022 21:26

Sidge · 26/10/2022 19:38

We knew about head injuries, concussions etc but didn’t really know about links to dementia, long term damage. Remember we didn’t have the sophisticated imaging we have now. No CTs or MRIs, or complex neurostimulator tests or contrast imaging, just X-rays which aren’t always terribly helpful.

Dementia was known about but it wasn’t terribly common in acute care when I started nursing in the early 1990s as people often didn’t live long enough to become demented.

I still find it quite bizarre and shocking that in the 21st century, with the knowledge we have relating to brain injury and concussion that boxing is legal and considered a sport.

That. I was born in 1955 and we only really worried about concussion (or a fractured skull) after a proper accidental blow to the head. So for your average person, head injuries are about concussion after a single accidental blow or head first fall.

It's more than fifty years ago!
We had neither the equipment nor the body of research that we have now, to know that regular (including amateur) sports people or those who regularly endured non accidental blows to the head were at risk of anything more, especially regarding conditions that might arise decades later.

Re boxers, back then I thought of punch drink as a temporary condition.

pollyglot · 26/10/2022 21:27

In 1970, aa a teenager, I had a nasty fall from a bolting horse...momentary loss of consciousness, seeing things in black and white...my parents, both keen riders, thought it was hilarious.

saraclara · 26/10/2022 21:29

Vitriolinsanity · 26/10/2022 21:20

Don't be a grump @wherearebeefandonioncrisps OP hasn't been back so we can take the thread where it goes.

Maybe she hasn't come back because her question was about abuse, and the thread took a turn that she couldn't handle.

I might be wrong, but I winced when the threatened took off

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/10/2022 21:29

I don't understand why people are harping on about being paid cash or using cash machines.

It's because I asked if the OP didn't mind if I asked a question about the 70s. I was ruminating on 70s life because powercuts are predicted. The OP hasn't come back to the thread yet.

saraclara · 26/10/2022 21:30

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/10/2022 21:29

I don't understand why people are harping on about being paid cash or using cash machines.

It's because I asked if the OP didn't mind if I asked a question about the 70s. I was ruminating on 70s life because powercuts are predicted. The OP hasn't come back to the thread yet.

As per my post above, your post being picked up so soon in the thread could be the reason why she hasn't come back.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/10/2022 21:31

In fairness, I did think from the title it was a general 70s thread, but I realise I may have misjudged. A lot of people think it's to do with the rugby though....