To think it sets a really bad example for the country when the PMs family have tax dodged millions

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Just that really…

Im really surprised Sunak actually made it to be prime minister considering the recent stories that have been in the news regarding his family avoiding millions of ££ in tax . I actually thought Boris would have been more likely to have been PM. (Not that he’s any better🤔)

It seems there is a threshold at which we consider politicians wealth and tax avoidance too much ? What is it ?

I mean loads of them do very dodgy things - some even do illegal things

We're not talking about them but I'm using an example to illustrate that evading tax is very easy and "paying tax on UK earnings" doesn't actually mean anything if these earnings on paper are made to seem very low.

I think it's wrong to in good faith stand as PM of a country that you're willing to avoid paying tax in. To raise your children here. To use public services.

If you see no wrong here, then I guess it's clear why we keep getting screwed ower, since on mumsnet it sounds like you're happy to be taken for a ride. It's pathetic really.

Yes but why raise this now ?

Are you really saying he's the first PM who has managed to avoid some tax payments ?!

Or in this case - his wife -

Strange last I heard Rishi's wife wasn't PM?

Btw is never vote for him but I do like attacks to be reasonable

You know - his policies or his personal actions

You think he didn't know what his wife was doing or benefit from her wealth? Come on.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

They're married. Do you know what that means or do you need it explained too? Their wealth is their joint wealth. They have children together that live here.

Not sure what you think you gain from defending billionaires who are screwing everyone over and making this country worse but go off. Hopefully you never face poverty but if you do keep In mind how passionate you were about defending the kind of people and policies that caused it.

I think this case is different due to the obscene amount of wealth involved and the size of the tax avoidance going on here.

If you're going to exploit legal loopholes, no one can stop you. But to have the audacity to stand for PM and pretend you will do anything good for the country is an absolute joke. Both him and his wife obviously have no shame and don't give a crap about the economy (or not enough to pay their fair share).

She doesn't live in her home country. She's not using public services there. She, Rishi and their kids are doing so in the UK. It's immoral and wrong.

The notes that go with the flowchart explain it

Notes to domicile flowcharts
Your domicile status depends on the facts of your individual case. The flowcharts will give as strong an indication as possible, based on various generic factors. However, if your affairs are more complicated the flowcharts may not provide a definitive answer.

Maybe so, but that was then, it’s quite right to make changes where circumstances change and the old rules are no longer fit for purpose.

For goodness sake so many labour MPs have stood for Parliament and employed tax avoidance. There is tax avoidance (legal which we all do) and tax dodging (illegal). The problem with Rishi is that he is successful and that of course enrages the jealous.

Might be of interest to some, especially the section about how practical politics has become secondary to a slick social media presentation. www.opendemocracy.net/en/rishi-sunak-could-become-pm-heres-what-he-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

I do not think that the wife is irrelevant - I think Sunak is the first prime minister to have a foreign wife.

The majority people in this country are net beneficiaries ie the tax they pay doesn't cover the cost of the services they use, benefit from. You could argue that they are making this country worse off. How many of these net beneficiaries offer to pay more tax to cover some of the services etc they receive.

So rich people are automatically assumed to be no good as a prime minister?

That seems wrong

Indeed a very rich and successful person with strong moral values and empathy would in my mind be a very promising choice

Better than a mediocre person with no morals and a complete inability to understand how others live

Like I say I wait to judge his performance not make sone snap judgement based on stereotypes

Does having "strong moral values" include honesty? Or does that not matter?

Have we evidence of dishonesty?

I may well have missed this ( dipping in and out ) but I don't think his wife doing perfectly legal things is evidence of his dishonesty

Definitely not fair that plebs can’t avoid tax, yet if you’re loaded there are ways to do so. But that’s the country we live in. I’m sure all that wealth will trickle down and feed into our collapsing public services at some indefinable point in the future.

She lied about her intentions to leave the UK to avoid paying tax. And he benefitted from that. So yes.

This is irrelevant. When the nazis were in power (and we all know what happened there) was that legal or right? Or was the government corrupt and come into power for their own agenda.

It's legal to tax dodge millions because the criminals are in power.

That little gem has been floating around for a long time on the internet. It only goes to show how wrong it is to focus on a narrow set of figures as a measure of peoples’ worth and how screwed the whole system is.

The last I checked the figure was set so low as to mean a huge majority of all those low-paid public sector workers are net takers. Ambulance workers, health care assistants, care workers, education staff.

I do not agree that someone working for a pittance - perhaps working for nothing even as a student or volunteer - in a necessary job helping to maintain public health or education is a net taker. The idea is ludicrous. If bankers pressing a couple of buttons on computers and magicking up billions are more valuable then we can give up on the entire human race.

It's a value vs cost disconnect

She lied

Sorry - have we got another PM now ?!!

Wow

The only way she can legitimately claim to be a non dom is if she intends to leave the UK or has no firm plans to stay in the UK, with her British husband and children.

Either that or Rishi Sunak is intending to go with her, in which case he has no firm plans to stay in the UK long term. Which I think he really ought to have made plain to his party, his constituents and the electorate.

I'm not British, but I live here, got married here, raised my kids here, got divorced - never applied for a British passport and hope to one day return to my home country.

There are many people like me - I've been here nearly 30 years and consider both my home country and the U.K. home and would like to split my time in both countries eventually.

Reverse my situation and you have thousands of British expats living abroad who feel the same way.

She is not divorced, and her husband is the British Prime Minister. Your situation is very different!