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Fallout with In-laws...WWYD?

16 replies

HolGeddon · 19/10/2022 16:20

This might be very long so I apologise in advance.

FiL and SMiL moved abroad some years back. FiL retired and SMiL works a very high end job and refuses to retire. They have a civil relationship with DH and his siblings, professional almost. MiL raised all of them on her own.

Since I came into the picture I have only met them a handful of times, always with one or more of the other in-laws being there at the same time and never longer than a weekend. They are not very popular with some members of the family due to various issues over the years. Will happily discuss anything between heaven and earth as long as it doesn't include feelings.

I have been with DH over 10 years, married with two small DC, a toddler and a baby. He's had several problems with FiL over the years and I always tried to encourage him to smooth things over as I'm very close with my (a lot smaller) family and think family is very important.

Fast forward to recently. Haven't seen them since before Covid. Haven't been on holiday since before Covid, like everyone else. So we booked a hol to see family abroad.

During the stay, SMiL was working constantly while smoking like a chimney inside. Her house so can't say much about that, just that I tried to keep the DC away from it, also it was expected to keep them away and quiet anyway so not to disturb her.

DH was expected to cook for everyone every night but DCs weren't expected to eat with us as would be too disruptive. We would eat after they've gone to bed. So he had to cook first for them, then for everyone else.

I was stuck with carrying DC2 around everywhere while looking after DC1 as couldn't leave them alone due to the house being very child unfriendly. Stone floors, steep hard stairs, sharp edges etc. No help was ever offered, they would just watch it all play out while browsing the net.

We were constantly talked at. Also the weather was horrible so we couldn't get out of the house. The list goes on and on.

It all came to a head one evening halfway through the week when they asked about my family. I had lost my mum to the big C 5y ago, we were very close and that was the worst time of my life which I shared some details of. Due to a sensitive discussion DH and I had shortly before I was already a bit emotional.

What followed was SMiL shouting at me to GET OVER IT as everyone dies and to move on already. For reference she hated both her parents. FiL, who always supports her, said "she died 5y ago, why are we still talking about her today?" I said she was my mum who I loved very much and will be talking about her in 50 years time too! The more upset I got the more I was yelled at and if I wasn't already upset I'd have gotten angry and told them where to go but as it was I just went quiet from pure shock as couldn't believe what I was hearing. Some other things were said too by SMiL but think you get the gist!

DH tried to step in several times and explain I just wanted to share some of myself but got yelled at in return too until he bluntly told SMiL to just stop which she did in the end.

I cried myself to sleep that night and spent next few days on autopilot, just going through the motions as just felt numb. FiL and SMiL continued on as if nothing happened, SMiL left next morning for a work trip so we didn't see her rest of our time there.

DH, who knew my mum and was there through the whole thing, said my mum was a wonderul loving person and to ignore everything that was said by two emotionless sociopaths and that we won't be staying there ever again.

I told him I'm done with everything, wish we'd never come and that if he wants to bring DC there in the future he can but I'm never going anywhere near that vile woman ever again. I will never forgive her for insulting my mum's memory and only a grovelling apology may persuade me to be in the same room as her which I will get sometime never as none of them think they did or said anything wrong.

After we left, DH spoke to a couple of his siblings to vent and make a plan for the future with how to deal with FiL rather than blowing up and ending things for good (due to some additional stuff that happened). Prior to us coming two of the siblings' partners have already vowed over time never to set foot near them again, with me it makes it 3 out of 4.

As Xmas is approaching there will be some family gatherings and this will no doubt come up. I don't see myself being anything but brutally honest about how I feel but at the same time it is their dad, however flawed he is and I'm not sure how to approach such a situation. There is also a sibling who thinks they are best thing since sliced bread and don't want to fall out with additional in-laws because they feel the need to justify FiL and SMiL's actions while I believe that what happened was inexcusable.

I don't know what I'm asking for here, just some objective perspective perhaps. sigh :(

OP posts:
LeMoo · 19/10/2022 16:25

That's awful! You could have left the very next morning and been fully justified in doing so. Agree to not bother with them at all in the future.

Try to discount their behaviour to you about your dear mum, it's so irrelevant to your grief and her memory.

Mydogisweird · 19/10/2022 16:28

First of all, I am so sorry to read about your mum, I don’t think it’s something you ever get over no matter how long. I felt quite sad for you reading how cruel SMIL was.

She sounds hideous and I don’t think you should ever waste your time on her again. I’d leave it at your DH seeing his father and her if need be but that you play no part in it.

Your perspective is spot on.

PutYourShoesOnWereLate · 19/10/2022 16:31

Your big mistake was encouraging your DH to smooth things over on previous occasions. You should have trusted that he knew his own father well enough to make up his mind about him and stay clear.
They bring no joy to your life, avoid them. Be 'busy' at Christmas, you owe them nothing.

Userg1234 · 19/10/2022 16:33

If other members of the family have done the same you are not being unreasonable to never have anything to do with them again. Just because your family is close, your DH family don't have to be. Be honest if asked.
We put up with sil for mil sake. She has upset me on many occasions. Mil deep down knows she a wrong un. As mil is in her 90s I bite my tongue but have as little as possible to do with her.... thankfully I can go months with seeing her and we no longer socialise as a family because of her

Acheyknees · 19/10/2022 16:35

I don't think you need to do anything. You don't ever have to be in their company again. If your DH wants to visit them, fine he can but on his own. You don't need to tell anyone of your decision, you just say no to future visits.

carkerpatridge · 19/10/2022 16:40

They sound awful and you don't owe them anything. You should plan holidays and Christmases around what is good for your family unit. Time is precious so don't waste it on a sense of family duty unless it is a relationship that is positive for all concerned.

Thingsdogetbetter · 19/10/2022 16:42

You were unfair to think that you should help fix your Dh's family dynamic and to project your perception of the importance of 'family'. You encouraged him to 'smooth things over' without having all the facts or an understanding of how dysfunctional fil and smil are. Two sibling's partners were already nc and no one in the family likes them so you were naive to think your relationship with them would be different. Now you know how bad they actually are.

I won't encourage you to 'smooth things over' cos you've probably realised that was a misguided and futile idea. I would suggest you simply nod and 'smile' when you see them at family functions. Be led by your dh, but be as low contact as possible. Having it out with them will achieve nothing - it won't change them, it won't make them more self-aware. It will just cause more family drama. You need to accept they are complete and total assholes and drop the rope.

LookItsMeAgain · 19/10/2022 16:44

These are your DH's side of the family.
If your DH doesn't want to visit them again, back him up.
If your DH wants to visit the country they live in but not see them while you're all there, then do that.
Basically I would recommend going with whatever your DH wants on this.
I'm sorry to hear about your mum. Flowers

AlisonDonut · 19/10/2022 16:46

I don't understand what it is you are asking but just don't get into any conversation about it.

Aquamarine1029 · 19/10/2022 16:47

As Xmas is approaching there will be some family gatherings and this will no doubt come up.

You don't know for a fact if this will come up so you're creating problems that don't even exist yet. If it does come up, you say immediately that you will not discuss the incident and/or your in-laws. Conversation over. If necessary, leave the room.

Izzywhizzyisverybusy · 19/10/2022 16:52

That must have been very painful for you.
I wouldn’t bother with them again, they sound horrible.
I think you should let your DH decide for himself if he wants to see them again, but I would step far back from them. They don’t deserve your time or energy.

pantsville · 19/10/2022 16:52

It sounds like they don’t really value any of you. Let the feeling be mutual, forget about them.

WhereYouLeftIt · 19/10/2022 17:28

For starters - they live abroad. You need never see them again.

In fact, your husband has already said that you "won't be staying there ever again" and he "spoke to a couple of his siblings to vent and make a plan for the future with how to deal with FiL rather than blowing up and ending things for good (due to some additional stuff that happened)". So relax, this is not on you, he has it all in hand.

I think you need to rethink the whole "but at the same time it is their dad". 'Dad' is a word with a meaning to you that they don't necessarily share. "MiL raised all of them on her own." So yes, he's their father - but in the sense that he donated sperm. He didn't raise them, MIL did; and it's the raising that makes your father your dad, if you see what I mean. Look at how you described their relationship - "civil ... professional almost". Not close, not loving, just - civil. You are close to your family, and you need to accept that that's how your family is, but it's not how his is. You need to stop assuming that your husband's relationship with FIL/SMIL bears any resemblance to your relationship with your parents, because it clearly doesn't. This assumption was behind your "I always tried to encourage [DH] to smooth things over [with FIL]" and I hope you won't be doing that ever again. Your DH is capable of managing his own relationship with FIL/SMIL, and if that means things stay unsmoothed, so be it.

As Xmas is approaching there will be some family gatherings and this will no doubt come up."
Four siblings, three of whom's partners don't want to be around FIL/SMIL. Remaining sibling "who thinks they are best thing since sliced bread". Fine, that sibling can visit them, the rest of you can get out your bargepoles. Seriously, you are under no obligation to gather with them. And who is interested in doing so anyway, besides this one sibling? Frankly, it shouldn't be 'coming up' with you. It's your husband's sibling, he can have any conversation required with them - not you. Not your circus, not your monkeys. Step back, stop thinking it is your responsibility to smooth things (spoiler alert - it really, really isn't) and let your husband handle his family.

HolGeddon · 19/10/2022 17:47

Thank you for all your replies!

The only reason I encouraged him to have a relationship with his father was because he put the strained ones down to "different personalities". Also he would get really down about not talking to him so I just tried to be diplomatic rather than taking sides. DH is a very positive and optimistic person and always had hope it would sort itself out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing after all and rest assured we have both had a royal wake up call now!

I don't worry about seeing them again as they have made it clear when they moved they aren't coming back ever so no issue there.

Yes, I don't know if it will be brought up, just want to be prepared in case it does as DH has already spoken to some about it and there are two camps within the family where FiL and SMiL are concerned and my first instinct is to not hold back which may lead to another fall out with someone else. Hopefully I'm worrying over nothing!

OP posts:
phishy · 19/10/2022 18:34

I don't worry about seeing them again as they have made it clear when they moved they aren't coming back ever so no issue there.

I really don’t see what the issue is, OP. You effectively never have to see or speak to them again.

Are you asking if you should talk about what happened on your trip? Given you never have to see them again, I’d just leave DH and his siblings to it.

Harpin · 19/10/2022 21:06

They sound horrible.
What’s your MIL like if she’s still alive?

sorry to hear of your mum’s passing. I would avoid FIL and SMil at all costs as nobody needs that behaviour and treatment - not you, DH or your kids.

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