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Pensions to rise with inflation - but what about working people???

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doris9034 · 19/10/2022 15:57

BBC Website: "Liz Truss and Chancellor Jeremy Hunt jointly agreed to guarantee that the state pension rises with inflation next year - thereby maintaining the "triple lock" - ahead of PMQs this morning, Downing Street says.
In a huddle with reporters after PMQs, the prime minister's official spokesman said the decision reflected the "unique position" of pensioners who are "unable to increase their earnings through work"

But I - and millions of others - are also unable to "increase our earnings through work" because we are in the middle income bracket, our employers do not have the capacity to raise our earnings in line with inflation and we don't qualify for any state related benefits.

So, whilst I 100% don't begrudge the helping of pensioners (many of whom are probably among the better off anyway), I can't help but feeling a bit annoyed that it always seems to be the ordinary working person / family that never gets any respite from the ever increasing cost of living.

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toulet · 19/10/2022 17:50

@XingMing so?

MidnightMeltdown · 19/10/2022 17:51

I agree OP. It's ridiculous that people who aren't getting pay rises in line with inflation are expected to fund inflation linked pay rises for others.

I hope that there will be much more strike action in the coming months

toulet · 19/10/2022 17:51

My mum was born in the 40s & they didn't have nursery but there was childcare, my granny had a job.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/10/2022 17:52

cptartapp · 19/10/2022 17:50

MrsDanvers and once those DC turned 18 when she was mid 40's she could have returned to work. But didn't.

What was she qualified to do? what was the job situation where she lived? and don't underestimate social pressure not to work and take a job from 'a man who needs it to support his family.'

Polkadotties · 19/10/2022 17:53

The triple lock has only been around since 2010 I believe, maybe 2008 can’t remember. The way some people go on about they make it sound like something which has gone on for years and years.

Aishah231 · 19/10/2022 17:57

MrMrsJones · 19/10/2022 16:04

Working people who are now receiving their pensions are ordinary people, who have worked hard all their lives

That's not the point. The point is not that they should get a rise it's that it's unfair when working people don't. Those saying benefits are probably going up are also missing the point. It's those working FT on low wages having had years of cuts and pay freezes who are suffering more in some cases than those on benefits.

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 19/10/2022 17:57

I agree OP. It's ridiculous that people who aren't getting pay rises in line with inflation are expected to fund inflation linked pay rises for others.

You do realise that pensioners have already funded their own pensions?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/10/2022 17:57

toulet · 19/10/2022 17:48

Well they did have to, because there was no childcare.

when? I was born in the 80s & went to a nursery

No shit Sherlock!

Yes, there were childcare providers in the 80’s.

But 20 years earlier there weren’t.

I was a 60’s baby. My dd died when l was very little. DM had to go to work, and she paid a neighbour to look after me. There were no nurseries or childminders.

scaredoff · 19/10/2022 17:59

The BS about pensioners' "unique position" is exactly that, so ignore that for a start. As others have said, this is entirely about the Tories protecting their core voter base. The only way that will ever change is if enough younger people get politically active enough to outweigh it.

Remember though that UK pensions are still, after several years of the triple lock, among the lowest in the developed world. It shouldn't be a question of choosing between decent wages, conditions and in-work support or decent pensions, but the UK ruling class are uniquely good at divide-and-rule, so people readily see it that way.

The real reason we're all getting poorer is that a very small minority are getting very, very much richer at our expense.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/10/2022 17:59

@toulet

House prices and low wages are policies are policies of successive governments not oap’s

reigatecastle · 19/10/2022 18:00

I am quite relieved that my elderly mum will get an increase in line with inflation.

Yes rich people get the increase too but they will pay tax on it.

toulet · 19/10/2022 18:00

@scaredoff is there even enough younger people though? There are now more over 65s than under 15s.

toulet · 19/10/2022 18:00

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

how do these governments & policies get into power?

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 19/10/2022 18:00

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 19/10/2022 17:57

I agree OP. It's ridiculous that people who aren't getting pay rises in line with inflation are expected to fund inflation linked pay rises for others.

You do realise that pensioners have already funded their own pensions?

And paid NI contributions for decades longer than young people benefitting from the NHS.
Yes, life is shit now for many but please less of the pensioner bashing

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/10/2022 18:01

That's not the point. The point is not that they should get a rise it's that it's unfair when working people don't

Do you know how much the state pension is?

Kabalagala · 19/10/2022 18:01

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/10/2022 17:59

@toulet

House prices and low wages are policies are policies of successive governments not oap’s

And who elected those governments?

Sirzy · 19/10/2022 18:02

all benefits should go up with inflation (as has been promised)

workers should also be able to get pay inline with inflation.

anything less is a cut and is going to leave even more people up the creek without a paddle

toulet · 19/10/2022 18:03

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

DM had to go to work, and she paid a neighbour to look after me

So there was childcare then?

toulet · 19/10/2022 18:03

plonker 😆

toulet · 19/10/2022 18:04

And paid NI contributions for decades longer than young people benefitting from the NHS. Yes, life is shit now for many but please less of the pensioner bashing

Err but older people generally cost the NHS more, it's not bashing but a fact.

vera99 · 19/10/2022 18:06

Torygraph is floating ideas for future cuts...

www.telegraph.co.uk/pensions-retirement/news/britains-state-pension-unsustainable-something-has-give/

Today’s inflation figures should have given retirees reassurance that, come next April, their lagging state pension income will increase in real terms.
But despite Prime Minister Liz Truss’s repeated commitment to the triple lock in her leadership campaign, her Government has this week refused to stick to its word.
The triple lock has now become a weighty Tory party promise to woo older voters.
A U-turn on the triple lock after it was suspended last year would surely now be unthinkable.
Perhaps not now, but something has to give eventually. Using today’s inflation rate of 10.1pc, the state pension should rise by £22.70 a week to £203.85 from April 2023 for those collecting the post-2016 state pension.

The state pension is becoming increasingly expensive. There are more of us, people are living longer, and the triple lock adds to that growing cost. Each percentage point rise is thought to cost the Treasury around £1bn.
And the problem with the triple-lock is that while millions of pensioners rely on it, many do not need it. It’s a colossal expense that it is both valuable and wasteful.
The state pension started out as a means-tested benefit purely to keep the very poorest over 70s out of poverty at a time when the average life expectancy was well below 60.
Now the state pension is a retirement staple that pensioners, both rich and poor, expect to receive. It’s vital income for some, and a bonus for others.
But with the triple lock promise, the Government has chained itself to an enormous commitment that would now be political suicide to abandon. To get out of this hole, Britain needs to radically rethink its relationship with the state pension.
It is right that it remains a universal benefit available to all retirees – but those who need more, should get more, and vice versa.
An obvious way the Treasury could save money is to raise the state pension age even higher. But this solution risks penalising those who have toiled in physical, hard jobs and need to retire earlier on health grounds.
It is also unfair on those who have a lower life expectancy. Perversely, those from deprived areas who rely on the state pension the most, are likely to receive the least of it.

Another idea would be to means-test the state pension again. Do retired public servants really need the taxpayer to subsidise two inflation-linked pensions for them? How can it be right that a judge or senior civil servant on a £100,000 annual pension, receives a full state pension?
Retirees of all walks of life often say that they deserve a state pension because they have paid in, and therefore the taxpayer must pay out. But do they realise how generous the payout is?
Sums from pension firm Aegon show that a worker earning £30,000 a year would pay around £2,092 in National Insurance contributions a year, some of which goes towards funding the NHS too. Yet if they make that contribution every year for 35 years, they will qualify for the full state pension currently worth £9,627 a year.
That’s a total contribution of less than £75,000 to receive at least £9,627 a year – or more than £185,000 over a typical 20-year retirement.
An annuity paying the same as the state pension would cost £211,700 to buy today. Whatsmore, if a worker was to pay that same £2,092 annual NI contribution into a private pension which grew at 4.25pc a year, it would only be worth £120,000 in today’s money over their career.
Expectation for the state to provide for us in retirement has evolved into entitlement.
The state pension has also become a tool with which to bribe older voters, and as a result the triple lock is one U-turn the Government can perhaps not afford to make.
Yet for our state pension system to be affordable and help those who need it, it will need to be seen as a benefit again rather than an entitlement.

Fireballxl5 · 19/10/2022 18:06

Jedsnewstar · 19/10/2022 17:20

Except most pensioners never paid in enough to fund how much they actually cost the state. So workers are now filling in the gap.

The first pensioners had never paid a penny in 1909 however a civilised society decided that putting the elderly in workhouses or making their dc keep them was wrong.
My dm struggles on her state pension and I have no idea how she’ll pay her fuel bill.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/10/2022 18:07

Kabalagala · 19/10/2022 18:01

And who elected those governments?

Anyone old enough to vote.

I’ve been voting for 40 years. But people much older than me and much younger than me were also voting at the same time?

So who elected these government? A combination of young and old l guess.

Not just the ‘elderly’ Scotland, Wales and NI don’t seem to vote Tory. Neither on the whole do the North of England ( apart from the last election)

So it’s the south of England that’s driving these crap government.

HighlandPony · 19/10/2022 18:08

Because ordinary working folk don’t vote feckin Tory that’s why

toulet · 19/10/2022 18:09

So who elected these government? A combination of young and old l guess.

But statistically we know that as people age they are more likely to vote Tory & we know more older people voted for Brexit so don't need to guess really...