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Power blackouts- why not during the day? *MNHQ editing to say this has become a more general power outage chat*

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BoobBoobBaby · 18/10/2022 12:41

I’ve been reading about the proposed plan for power blackouts and they’re saying 4-7 on week days. Why then? Surely longer blackouts during the day, when we don’t need lights and kids are at school and most people are at work would be better? Or even 10pm-6am when most people are sleeping? Or is it because we don’t use much electricity then, so they’re picking peak times? I just don’t understand why those specific times? does anyone know?

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ILeclercreturn · 18/10/2022 14:17

Not sure if has been mentioned before on here but IF any area manages to overstress the grid capability and anything shuts down unscheduled, it can be the devils own job to get the system back up again. The grid is synchronised between the various generating units (power stations) and if it suffers an 'unexpected' fault it can all go out of sequence. Cutting the power from the 'top down' mens the generators can stay synchronised. Discovering now, while it is light and 'optional' which clocks and appliances will need to be reset should cuts occur in future can be handy (and a game to set kids to learn about setting clocks etc) and finding safe and sensible places to put your 'emergency' gear.

LetItGoHome · 18/10/2022 14:18

Threadkillacilla · 18/10/2022 14:10

Fridges should maintain the temperature ok for a few hours, need to keep them closed as much as possible.

Not really. I've had to dump a load of medication. Advised by our consultant and then again when I checked with the pharmacy. After a power cut for just over 3 hours. Some medications are very temperature sensitive and too important to try it and see.

ImInACage · 18/10/2022 14:19

If they were in the day, even if they were only domestic properties, those of us who are self employed and work from home would be screwed over completely, especially if we can't work when the children are gone. If I can't work, I don't get paid and therefore won't be able to put food on the table.

ImInACage · 18/10/2022 14:20

*home, not gone!

Threadkillacilla · 18/10/2022 14:26

LetItGoHome · 18/10/2022 14:18

Not really. I've had to dump a load of medication. Advised by our consultant and then again when I checked with the pharmacy. After a power cut for just over 3 hours. Some medications are very temperature sensitive and too important to try it and see.

Depending on the fridge obviously. Mine was off for six hours and dropped 1° if it doesn't have a built in thermometer you can get one for a few pounds or probably already have one of you have sensitive medication.

ILeclercreturn · 18/10/2022 14:31

Not that I suppose anyone really cares but talking of synchronisation I was bored enough to clculate that the electricity supply companies are required to supply you with 432, 000 cycles of mains current per day averaged over a day or two (I forget the limit now) as long term stability is required to keep things like clocks (streetlamp timers and old appliances) synchronised. (50 cycles per second for a whole day). No idea what happens with 'modern' stuff nowadays.

ImAvingOops · 18/10/2022 14:34

Overnight power cuts royals be a nightmare for those of us on Economy7. My hot water and storage heaters heat up overnight (we don't have override controls) so a 3 hour power cut at night would mean not enough hot water or heating the next day.

Quveas · 18/10/2022 14:39

Although I am sure that the issues are real, I am not convinced that there will actually be power cuts. I think that the powers that be like to give us worse case scenarios so that we don't worry about reality. While everyone is worried about power cuts and how they will manage, they are distracted from thinking about how they afford the power in the first place!

NotDavidTennant · 18/10/2022 14:40

The reason they would cut the power is that their would be risk that the demand for electricity would exceed the available supply. They don't get to choose what time of the day that would happen.

bellinisurge · 18/10/2022 14:44

"While everyone is worried about power cuts and how they will manage, they are distracted from thinking about how they afford the power in the first place!"

You can deal with two things at once, you know. You can take a couple of sensible steps to deal with a 3 hour power cut AND be pissed off at how the government is failing to do its job.

LetItGoHome · 18/10/2022 14:45

Threadkillacilla · 18/10/2022 14:26

Depending on the fridge obviously. Mine was off for six hours and dropped 1° if it doesn't have a built in thermometer you can get one for a few pounds or probably already have one of you have sensitive medication.

That's very good for you. Yes I do have a fridge thermometer. Just winging it and seeing what happens isn't really good enough when it comes to people's health and expensive drugs.
It's not just domestic fridges anyway. There are pharmacies and hospitals all maintaining a cold chain. I suppose they will have back up generators.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/10/2022 14:50

ILeclercreturn · 18/10/2022 14:31

Not that I suppose anyone really cares but talking of synchronisation I was bored enough to clculate that the electricity supply companies are required to supply you with 432, 000 cycles of mains current per day averaged over a day or two (I forget the limit now) as long term stability is required to keep things like clocks (streetlamp timers and old appliances) synchronised. (50 cycles per second for a whole day). No idea what happens with 'modern' stuff nowadays.

I didn't know that. Fascinating!

ifonly4 · 18/10/2022 14:51

I thought schools couldn't open without power. Also, many businesses rely on electricity, even the tills at supermarkets, town shops.

I know it's peak demand, but it'll only transfer peak to demand to 7pm onwards - those that can't cook, charge gadgets after works, have a bath or shower are doing to do those pretty soon after 7pm and it won't be spread over 3 hours, so they'll be a lot of demand in certain areas.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/10/2022 15:00

I think if it you have medication that has to be stored at a particular temperature, I'd be googling each medication to work out the actual parameters - whether it just shortens the life if it is kept warmer, or if it goes off. I'd also be investing in a digital thermometer, to keep an eye on it and have freezer packs ready.

There are of course insulated packs for medicine and medications could be put in these if power cuts are imminent, then stored in the fridge to maximise how long medicines stay cool for. Travel forums often discuss this issue.

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 18/10/2022 15:06

Most people work during the day. And will the schools close?

ILeclercreturn · 18/10/2022 15:06

OYBBK, it's only sums of course. Here in France the electricity meters receive 'commands' from the generating companies which 'instruct' them at the start and end of the 'night rate' charging (Billing period). Not sure what happens if you have Economy 7 in the UK though. Still, it is 'strike' day here as several unions step up actions to lobby the government.

Mydpisgrumpierthanyours · 18/10/2022 15:07

4-7 are my working hours. Does that mean those days I can stay at home and get paid for nothing? If that's the case then I'm not as bothered any more 😁

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/10/2022 18:01

ILeclercreturn · 18/10/2022 15:06

OYBBK, it's only sums of course. Here in France the electricity meters receive 'commands' from the generating companies which 'instruct' them at the start and end of the 'night rate' charging (Billing period). Not sure what happens if you have Economy 7 in the UK though. Still, it is 'strike' day here as several unions step up actions to lobby the government.

I'm going to have to read more about this sometime. It's interesting!

BiddyPop · 18/10/2022 18:30

It's difficult to store electricity. The peak hours of 4-7 are when most people are looking for power and when the demand may match or be more than the capacity of the grid to supply it. If there are limits on the amount of gas/oil/coal etc available to burn for more traditional power stations, and the wind doesn't blow, sun has gone down for the night and there is not a lot of water in the rivers where there is hydro, then there will be a need to cut power to some areas so that others still have it and there isn't a cascade failure of the entire grid.

The demand is far lower at 10pm-6am, so even if the wind and sun are lower, the traditional stations may be able to cope at that stage.

If the wind is blowing well and it is still sunny, there is more capacity available.

There is a hydro station in Ireland (Poulaphouca?) where the water from the upper lake runs through the turbines to generate electricity at peak demand times. The water runs into the lower lake from the turbines. But during the night, when demand on the system is low and the traditional stations need to be online anyway (and especially if it is a windy night and there's LOADS of power!), they can use that power to pump water back up to the upper lake to be available again tomorrow for extra peak supply. Which is great if the normal amounts of rain fall and we haven't had a drought emptying the lakes/rivers. (At least we're not as bad as Lake Mead/Hoover Dam hydro stations near Las Vegas in the USA!).

But it's hard to store power on a large scale otherwise. We don't have massive banks of batteries to recharge - but it is a reason why recharging electric cars overnight is a good thing to take that excess power and make it useful. There is research going into converting electricity into Hydrogen and storing that, and converting it back to electricity or to use it to fuel cars (whole different engine system!), when it is needed.

But the other thing that WE can do, as people living here, is to try and flatten the demand curve by reducing what we want at the peak and using it more spread out. So this is why people talk about running the washing machine and tumble dryer and dishwasher earlier in the day or later in the evening. Or using a slow cooker or having the oven on a timer to cook dinner earlier in the day before the peak, so it just needs a small heat through later. Or fill the oven one night (dinner for that night - meat, potatoes, veggies; as well as cooking other bits to just quickly reheat tomorrow or do some baking) and then not need the oven on the following day as that takes a lot of energy to heat. Don't turn all your devices on to recharge as soon as you all get in from work/school at 5pm but wait until after dinner and cleaning up when the overall demand on the grid is a bit lower. Lag your hot water cylinder and heat the water overnight to have your shower in the morning. Wait until there's a windy day to wash the sheets and towels as the wind will also give more power to the grid (and then hang them on the line to dry as well as the wind will get them soft and dry in no time without the tumble dryer Grin).

There should still be plenty of power to do everything - it's just a case of thinking about when certain things NEED to be done (like needing to warm up from travelling home and feeding everyone at dinner time) and if you can organise your household to do certain other things at a slightly different time. So it's about rationing when you do things rather than rationing being able to do them at all.

TheIsaacs · 18/10/2022 18:45

Here’s my probably stupid question: if they’re using gas power to create the electricity, and it’s the gas shortage that’s the problem, does a power outage during the day not preserve gas levels for peak times? Or is it that there is also no storage for the gas?

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 18/10/2022 19:12

TheIsaacs · 18/10/2022 18:45

Here’s my probably stupid question: if they’re using gas power to create the electricity, and it’s the gas shortage that’s the problem, does a power outage during the day not preserve gas levels for peak times? Or is it that there is also no storage for the gas?

That's a good point, although not all power stations are powered by gas. Drax, I believe, is powered by wood pellets shipped from Canada. I wonder how environmentally friendly that is?

fizzypop100 · 18/10/2022 19:17

Bought mum a power bank for her mobile and an Energizer lantern in case.of powercut. Little things can make a big difference to elderly in those circumstances

isthismylifenow · 18/10/2022 19:24

LetItGoHome · 18/10/2022 14:18

Not really. I've had to dump a load of medication. Advised by our consultant and then again when I checked with the pharmacy. After a power cut for just over 3 hours. Some medications are very temperature sensitive and too important to try it and see.

Just a suggestion, but if you freeze watse in 2l bottles and pop them into the fridge when the power goes out. Will help to reduce temp dropping too much.

We do this for our freezer if it's not full and it does help. Bit of a conundrum for me right now as I usually have fullish freezer as I shop monthly. But with the huge amount of outages we have had, it's a risk to have a lot of meat in. So I'm do the water bite thing so what is in there isn't affected too much.

I am having 3 x 2hr outages today. Two down and one to go.

Hence why I had a roast dinner on the go at 2pm today. 🙈

isthismylifenow · 18/10/2022 19:25

Gosh apologies for all the typos.

Leakingroofagain · 18/10/2022 19:29

I wonder if they do wind up laptops?