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To think that Twitter contravenes free speech?

51 replies

Amarette · 16/10/2022 23:09

I was temporarily banned from Twitter today for posting a link to statistics from the Ministry of Justice. The statistics show the percentage of transwomen who are in prison for sexual offences.

Conversely, I reported someone to Twitter for threatening to choke JKR and they said that there was no violation of their rules.

How can they possibly justify this infringement of free speech?

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purpleboy · 16/10/2022 23:13

Well we're not allowed to speak up for incarcerated women who are stuck with rapists, on account of "be kind, most marginalized in society" or whatever bull these MRAs are trying to push.
So it's no surprise the cesspit that is Twitter saw fit to ban you from alerting normal people to the vile horrors women are facing.

ScaryFaces · 16/10/2022 23:14

Twitter are a private company, they are not obliged to uphold anyone's free speech, they can choose to host or not host whatever content they want.

nothingcomestonothing · 16/10/2022 23:14

Unpalatable facts (about a sacred caste) = literal violence.

Threats of literal violence (against a boring old fashioned type of woman) = bantz.

Twitter is a cess pit.

Amarette · 16/10/2022 23:15

Freedom of expression is a human right.

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Winecrispschocolatecats · 16/10/2022 23:29

You seem to be confused about the difference between violating a privately owned company's terms of business and the threat of government action. Your right to free speech protects you from being prosecuted, or from being persecuted by the government. Nothing more, nothing less.

Twitter, like any social media company, has the right to bar anyone who, in their view, has broken their terms & conditions. Just like any physical store - you'd be within your free speech rights to walk into a pub and slag off the patrons, but the landlord would be entirely within his/her rights to remove you from the premises. It isn't a difficult concept.

Amarette · 16/10/2022 23:31

But I haven't broken their terms and conditions. And yet the person I reported had. But they have suspending my account while saying that the other person hadn't broken any rules, despite threatening to choke someone!

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miceonabranch · 16/10/2022 23:31

Don't forget that twitter host and support paedophiles - or 'minor attracted persons' - as they choose to call themselves.

Twitter is indeed an utter cesspit.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/10/2022 23:36

Freedom of expression is a human right.

That doesn't mean you have the right to force private entities to transmit your free expressions.

I'm not suggesting Twitter is anything other than a cesspit but you seem to completely misunderstand how the world work.

Pixiedust1234 · 16/10/2022 23:36

Twitter support certain people. If you are going to report them for threatening physical abuse at a woman then quote their own guidelines in the report. They can still say its fine but its best to let them be aware you know their own guidelines.

And yes, twitter really is a hate site now.

PinkFrogss · 16/10/2022 23:39

Not saying you’re wrong for disagreeing with your ban, but Twitter is a private company, and every private company is allowed to moderate their site as they choose.

For example, MN remove many posts and threads and ban many users. Do you think deleting troll threads is a violation of free speech?

Free speech is about the government, in many places and many websites people are, quite rightly, not allowed to speak entirely freely without consequence.

Mayorquimby2 · 16/10/2022 23:59

Amarette · 16/10/2022 23:31

But I haven't broken their terms and conditions. And yet the person I reported had. But they have suspending my account while saying that the other person hadn't broken any rules, despite threatening to choke someone!

Yeah so the government can't unfairly or illegally deny it to you, you're not owed a platform by a private company.

The BBC not putting me on the one show ever day to transmit my freeman of the land beliefs does not mean I've been silenced, censored or had my freedom of speech infringed

PeekAtYou · 17/10/2022 00:04

They did a survey of Twitter employee political leaning and it's very Democratic. So talking negatively about trans issues is a big no but talking about Minor Attracted People (pedophiles) is absolutely fine. It will be interesting to see what happens with Elon Musk being involved.,

scorpiogirly · 17/10/2022 00:11

YANBU. The way of the world right now. It's a man's world.

MintJulia · 17/10/2022 00:17

ScaryFaces · 16/10/2022 23:14

Twitter are a private company, they are not obliged to uphold anyone's free speech, they can choose to host or not host whatever content they want.

This.

And imagine what they will be like with Elon Musk in charge. 😆

Lunar270 · 17/10/2022 00:46

Amarette · 16/10/2022 23:15

Freedom of expression is a human right.

Twitter or any other platform can do what they like. People sign up and agree to the terms of use. Twitter isn't a public service.

You are free to say what you want, just not using someone else's platform. You can start your own platform or stand in the street with a megaphone. That's your human right. The mistake you're making is thinking Twitter is obligated to respect yours.

And don't forget. Freedom of speech doesn't mean zero consequences.

etulosba · 17/10/2022 00:56

We don’t have the right to free speech. Not in the UK, anyway.

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 17/10/2022 01:07

etulosba · 17/10/2022 00:56

We don’t have the right to free speech. Not in the UK, anyway.

How so?

Amarette · 17/10/2022 08:03

Yes maybe free speech was the wrong term. But I've been banned despite not breaking their Ts and Cs and yet when i have reported death threats they say their terms haven't been violated. It makes a mockery of having terms and conditions in the first place.

I didn't even post an opinion, it was a link to government statistics!

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PAFMO · 17/10/2022 08:04

purpleboy · 16/10/2022 23:13

Well we're not allowed to speak up for incarcerated women who are stuck with rapists, on account of "be kind, most marginalized in society" or whatever bull these MRAs are trying to push.
So it's no surprise the cesspit that is Twitter saw fit to ban you from alerting normal people to the vile horrors women are facing.

This.

IllDoItButOnlyForTheAttention · 17/10/2022 08:37

Lunar270 · 17/10/2022 00:46

Twitter or any other platform can do what they like. People sign up and agree to the terms of use. Twitter isn't a public service.

You are free to say what you want, just not using someone else's platform. You can start your own platform or stand in the street with a megaphone. That's your human right. The mistake you're making is thinking Twitter is obligated to respect yours.

And don't forget. Freedom of speech doesn't mean zero consequences.

Yes, we know they CAN do this. They just HAVE. The OP is pointing out their hypocrisy and dubious moral standards, for which evidence is rapidly piling up.

And as for the snivelling little neo-homily at the end of your post, how I wish that one would hurry up and die a death as the I'm-so-clever riposte du jour.
Are the "consequences" just? What did the OP do to "deserve" them? When dissidents in China or Russia get beaten and thrown in jail for saying the wrong thing, I guess that's just "consequences", is it? They brought it on themselves? They knew what would happen? They shouldn't have said that? Do you see where this line of thought leads?

And yes, I KNOW this is about Twitter and nobody is being thrown in jail. But the root of this thought process is the same. There absolutely should not be "consequences" for nonviolent speech, private platform or no private platform.

etulosba · 17/10/2022 08:42

How so?

Because we are only allowed freedom to express within the limits of what our society finds acceptable.

Step outside those limits and you may find yourself charged with hate speak, for example.

OneTC · 17/10/2022 08:57

Amarette · 16/10/2022 23:15

Freedom of expression is a human right.

Then get it in the street and shout about it.

Twitter is under no obligation to let you even use it

SleeplessInEngland · 17/10/2022 08:58

This isn’t a free speech issue, it’s a ‘Twitter is inconsistent’ issue.

GlacindaTheTroll · 17/10/2022 09:00

They are a private company and they decide who and what they publish.

I'm really surprised that people haven't grasped that you don't get to decide what someone else hosts.

(also that it's not only what you say, it's how you say it)

CentaureaCyanus · 17/10/2022 09:10

Freedom of speech doesn't mean zero consequences.

That's remarkably similar to this famous quote attributed to Idi Amin, the military dictator: “There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.”

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