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To admire Ed Milliband's restraint?

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GreenLunchBox · 14/10/2022 23:08

twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1580931307185401856?t=-xAdw-mi9qy2VPRQSSV0Tg&s=19

He's sat on this for 7 years. 7 years of so many ridiculous shenanigans that he could have tweeted this to 🤭

I'm hoping this means this is it

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GreenLunchBox · 15/10/2022 00:52

At this point I honestly don't care. The UK deserves the Tories.

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IntentionalError · 15/10/2022 01:02

baroqueandblue · 15/10/2022 00:18

Funny how Corbyn did so well in the 2017 GE May called, and spooked the right wing mainstream media in the process. Suddenly he was marked as public enemy no 1 and it was diabolical what that same media (and the turncoats in his own party) then did to him. Read the Forde Report, or some of the analysis of it, and educate yourself.

skwawkbox.org/2022/07/19/corbyn-speaks-out-on-forde-report-and-team-provides-analysis/

Refresh my memory : What was the result of the 2017 general election, and which party was in government afterwards?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 15/10/2022 01:22

IntentionalError · 15/10/2022 01:02

Refresh my memory : What was the result of the 2017 general election, and which party was in government afterwards?

Remind me which party had to give a right-wing extremist religious zealout political party a billion £'s?

JRHartly · 15/10/2022 07:13

I’m no Tory supporter but I don’t understand how posting a 7.5 year old tweet is a slap in the face to DC or the Tory govt. 7.5 years is a lifetime in politics and it’s likely Ed would have been gone years ago even if he was elected.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 15/10/2022 08:18

@IntentionalError , ditto to all that. IMO Ed was never going to be PM material and he was far too beholden to the harder left.

If David M had been chosen then IMO we’d never have had Cameron, Brexit, or any of the current mess. Or less of it, anyway - we’d still have had COVID.
But IMO Ed is too full of hubris to admit any of this - or probably even to see it.

BrokeAsABone · 15/10/2022 08:45

Remind me which party had to give a right-wing extremist religious zealout political party a billion £'s?

Not just a right wing, religious party...the DUP formed its own terrorist group that was responsible for the murder of innocent Irish people AND is the political wing of the murderous loyalist terror group, the UVF. But all people cared about was that Corbyn might have been sympathetic to Irish Republicanism. They were quite happy to overlook the Tories getting into bed with representatives of loyalist killers.

KimberleyClark · 15/10/2022 08:50

If David M had been chosen then IMO we’d never have had Cameron, Brexit, or any of the current mess. Or less of it, anyway - we’d still have had COVID.
But IMO Ed is too full of hubris to admit any of this - or probably even to see it.

David was a Blairite. Lots of people don’t see that. And lots of people wanted a return to a more traditional Labour Party, one with a heart. Blair ripped the heart out of it.

baroqueandblue · 15/10/2022 08:59

If David M had been chosen

If wishes were fishes we'd have some fried; And if wishes were horses, beggars might ride...

The Tories enabled the DUP in plain sight while everyone went "But Corbyn..." Meanwhile, support for reunification looks likelier and likelier, so I wonder who was on the right side of history?

There are so many voters in this country whose politics are an absolute disgrace, and now we're all facing the reckoning.

Sharming · 15/10/2022 10:19

I do often wonder how things would have turned out if David Milliband had been chosen as leader instead of his brother.

I like Ed, but I'm afraid he was never leader material. He has really shown himself to be a good, strong, principled politician particularly in recent times - his performance in the house recently was excellent. He deserves a place on the shadow cabinet.

Personally I think both David Milliband and Andy Burnham are the future of the Labour party. Kier would do well to bring them in now - forget egos, just think of the good of the party and ultimately this country.

Kendodd · 15/10/2022 11:00

GreenLunchBox · 15/10/2022 00:52

At this point I honestly don't care. The UK deserves the Tories.

I agree.
We get what we vote for. People voted, repeatedly, for this shit show, they can own it. I have zero sympathy for people suffering the consequences of their own vote.

GreenLunchBox · 15/10/2022 12:58

JRHartly · 15/10/2022 07:13

I’m no Tory supporter but I don’t understand how posting a 7.5 year old tweet is a slap in the face to DC or the Tory govt. 7.5 years is a lifetime in politics and it’s likely Ed would have been gone years ago even if he was elected.

Are you for real?

A WEEK is a long time in Tory politics. Fucking hell, 24 hours is. That's the point of this thread. The UK is a shitshow thanks to these clowns. There have been so many times he could have brought up this tweet. His restraint has been amazing.

Hopefully this means we've reached the nadir. Rock bottom . What more can they do in the next two years? 😂

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lannistunut · 15/10/2022 13:19

Total Trussterfuck indeed Angry

I love the person trying to blame Miliband for the Tories' economic destruction.

I'm getting so unbelievably angry we can't have a general election now - Truss had no mandate for her shitshow 'mini-budget' and so many people are going to pay the price for her stupidity and arrogance.

lannistunut · 15/10/2022 13:20

Kendodd · 15/10/2022 11:00

I agree.
We get what we vote for. People voted, repeatedly, for this shit show, they can own it. I have zero sympathy for people suffering the consequences of their own vote.

What about those of us who didn't vote for them? We're not insulated from the pain.

MarshaBradyo · 15/10/2022 13:22

KimberleyClark · 15/10/2022 08:50

If David M had been chosen then IMO we’d never have had Cameron, Brexit, or any of the current mess. Or less of it, anyway - we’d still have had COVID.
But IMO Ed is too full of hubris to admit any of this - or probably even to see it.

David was a Blairite. Lots of people don’t see that. And lots of people wanted a return to a more traditional Labour Party, one with a heart. Blair ripped the heart out of it.

That may be true but it came down to what the electorate wanted in the end.

JRHartly · 15/10/2022 13:30

GreenLunchBox · 15/10/2022 12:58

Are you for real?

A WEEK is a long time in Tory politics. Fucking hell, 24 hours is. That's the point of this thread. The UK is a shitshow thanks to these clowns. There have been so many times he could have brought up this tweet. His restraint has been amazing.

Hopefully this means we've reached the nadir. Rock bottom . What more can they do in the next two years? 😂

I don’t think you understand my post at all, OP.

lannistunut · 15/10/2022 13:30

Blair ripped the heart out of it ...by making it electable and able to govern

ghostyslovesheets · 15/10/2022 13:35

So many Labour Party activists (not the ones I tend to see door knocking or leafletting - more the ones on Twitter) - seem to forget that all the ideologies in the world help NO ONE if you are not in power - Blair gave us a government that meant we could actually DO THING rather than say we'd do them.

JC gave us lots of ideas but no power

I like Ed - he's clever, funny and kind - qualities I value in leadership - shame the only think the press could do was point out his buttie eating ability

As to women - I agree - I am GC and a feminist but I still recognise that the party that will actually do something about the poverty and debt and difficulties all people - including women, find themselves in now is Labour

Stellaris22 · 15/10/2022 13:37

GreenLunchBox · 15/10/2022 00:52

At this point I honestly don't care. The UK deserves the Tories.

Agree. People were too eager to believe the media lies and manipulation about 'chaos under Corbyn'.

I do have sympathy for those affected, but it's limited as we had an alternative where a leader would have cared about people.

Nolongerteaching · 15/10/2022 14:32

What was behind the bacon butty picture? Was it to show that he was familiar with ‘working class’ food ( horrible assumption) or was it a dig at his heritage and to test him?

Either way it was a despicable thing to put him through. Who ‘s idea was it?

Nolongerteaching · 15/10/2022 14:32

Whose idea😖

Greenight · 15/10/2022 15:31

Kendodd · 14/10/2022 23:26

Oh if only he had won the 2015 GE!
We wouldn't have had any of the car crash of the last seven years.

It was Ed Miliband’s fault Labour lost. The party and the country wanted David Miliband as PM but Ed realised he could be the leader if he sucked up to the Unions who control the Labour election process. So Ed got to be leader, Labour became unelectable and look st the less thet resulted.

I’ve some professional knowledge of Ed Miliband and do not think he would have made a competent PM.

Kendodd · 15/10/2022 16:44

lannistunut · 15/10/2022 13:20

What about those of us who didn't vote for them? We're not insulated from the pain.

I agree. I reserve my sympathy for those who didn't vote for this completely predicable and predicted shit show. As for those who did vote for this mess, fuck them, to quote, they 'knew that we voted for'.

MarshaBradyo · 15/10/2022 16:48

Greenight · 15/10/2022 15:31

It was Ed Miliband’s fault Labour lost. The party and the country wanted David Miliband as PM but Ed realised he could be the leader if he sucked up to the Unions who control the Labour election process. So Ed got to be leader, Labour became unelectable and look st the less thet resulted.

I’ve some professional knowledge of Ed Miliband and do not think he would have made a competent PM.

I don’t mind him now but Labour need to face up to the issue they have re choosing the wrong leaders and therefore losing. There’s no point in trying to blame anyone else for poor choices.

I do think they get it now, and did with Blair very much so, but there’s no point in lamenting bad decisions. Just learn from them.

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