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Walking Group Issues (pregnancy)

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WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:06

I am in a mental health walking group with around 8-10 other ladies - the group size fluctuates on who can attend each week / who feels comfortable attending. Some of the member are newer, some of us have been there since the start. It's run by an NHS mental health team and we walk and talk with three/four therapists and one/two trainees. Everyone in the group is finishing their treatment within the next few months, apart from one lady (PregLady) who is about to give birth.

PregLady has been there since the start, as have I, so we do know each other quite well, and I would go as far as to say we are friends. The friends bit is why I am asking if IABU, as not sure if this is clouding my view. PregLady's husband was involved in a serious accident whilst working abroad and still remains in hospital abroad (this is relevant a bit later on). PregLady has also had another child whilst the group was running (and two older ones).

One of the newcomers has major issues with many member of the group and many of us have commented that it is now a walking on eggshells group. We have raised this and been ignored. NewLady gets upset at the slightest comment, has shouted at people, thrown tantrums, flaunted group rules, screamed in my face etc.

When NL first started PL was in the group and coming regularly, she really helped calm down NL many times. She also didn't suffer fools gladly and would leave a situation if she wasn't finding it helpful. PL then had to go abroad (husband's accident) and was away for six weeks. Those of us that are friends with PL did not know what was happening at first for a few days - she just went very silent on communications. There's a handful of us who have met her husband and other kids. The mental health team then asked a few of us to attend the group but arrive 30 minutes earlier and go to a clinic room beforehand. We were then all told what was happening, were allowed to ask questions, but were asked not to tell the wider group as it involved someone's medical situation. We were also told we could discuss it privately with the team if we needed. Husband's family were at his bedside, children were flown across - it looked really dire at some points.

We were assured that PregLady would continue to get support.

Preglady returned home a few weeks ago as for some reason she had to come back much sooner than the actual birth. She returned to the group and told everyone what was happening, husband improving but still a very long way to go, everyone else fine etc.

Last group we had on Wednesday and PregLady is about to pop. NL suddenly says well we won't be seeing you for a few months. We had all been asked beforehand if we were all happy with the baby coming. Every single person said that was not an issue. PregLady already has a nanny for the other three kids but said 6 weeks ago that if there was an issue she could organise another for the newborn to walk close to us, but not with us (which is what her husband did with the last one most of the time, sometimes the baby did join us until it was about 6 months). Agreed this was not needed.

NL has now going to the directors and PregLady has been told she cannot bring the baby to the group, needs to find at home childcare and has created friction in the group by suggesting brining the baby was an option. PregLady doesn't want to fight it but is not pleased. NL has said she will not attend the group if there is a baby there because she decided not to have children and now at age 45 she is regretting it and is "triggered" by babies.

Am I being unreasonable to be absolutely livid? In doing this they have removed four hours of support per week (twice weekly group) from PregLady.

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WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:11

Wow, the length, well done to anyone who can get to the bottom of that post.

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FairyLightAddict · 10/10/2022 11:16

NL sounds like an absolute arsehole

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 10/10/2022 11:18

NL is an arsehole indeed. The group runs for the benefit of ALL, not just her.

I would discuss this with the group leader and make clear that NL is the only one with issues, that it had been discussed as a group before she joined, and in fact she is the one causing the friction.

I hope PL can find the support she needs. You sound like a lovely group.

SoupDragon · 10/10/2022 11:21

FairyLightAddict · 10/10/2022 11:16

NL sounds like an absolute arsehole

Yeah, this.

which isn't terribly helpful!

i guess the only option is to get a group of you to go to the directors and out forward PLs case. Or can you start a breakaway group to go walking with PL &
baby? Will that give her the support she needs?

WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:21

NL was there when it was discussed. She's changed her mind.

I am going to raise it with my individual therapist but I just wanted to check that I wasn't being irrational about it due to hating NL and having quite a massive crush on the resilience and attitude of PregLady.

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Hymnulop · 10/10/2022 11:21

How is she having so many babies if her husband is seriously injured and at times at deaths door abroad? Genuine question!

Anywho, it's a mental health walking group so of course at times new lady might seem a bit unhinged - you don't know whats going on with her and she might not be able to help flying off the handle. She's right in that preglady's wants do not outweigh her own mental health issues I.e babies triggering her. Just sounds like you all don't really like this new lady and want preglady there instead which is fair enough. But it's also fair enough that the baby has been banned due to the needs of others.

Hymnulop · 10/10/2022 11:22

WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:21

NL was there when it was discussed. She's changed her mind.

I am going to raise it with my individual therapist but I just wanted to check that I wasn't being irrational about it due to hating NL and having quite a massive crush on the resilience and attitude of PregLady.

You hate her? You sound awful. Shame on you, you don't know what she's been through or her diagnosis etc. What happened to be kind? If you want to meet up and go for baby walks with preglady then do it other times.

WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:23

How is she having so many babies if her husband is seriously injured and at times at deaths door abroad?

She has two school-aged children, a toddler and now pregnant. She was already 24 weeks+ pregnant when the accident happened.

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bigblueyonder · 10/10/2022 11:23

NL sounds like she needs help (on all sorts of things) but this cannot be at the expense of others in the group. PL should be able to attend with her baby. This should be communicated to the directors. If they standby NL form a breakaway group as the spirit and purpose of the original group has been lost & forgotten.

WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:26

@Hymnulop I do hate her after this. I disliked her after she shouted in my face, but I have seen two people leave the group because of her behaviour. Both of those two people were in a different situation to PregLady and have other support so whilst it was upsetting it wasn't this upsetting.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 10/10/2022 11:28

NL sounds like she is unsuited to this group and would benefit from individual walking therapy. Then she will have time and space to explore the extensive list of things that appear to be triggering her.

And @Hymnulop - be kind works both ways. Not just in favour of histrionic narcissists. At this point I can spot them from space 🙄

TeapotTitties · 10/10/2022 11:37

I feel a bit sorry for NL as it comes across like PL is the 'popular one', therefore NL didn't really stand a chance from the start.

I'm also going to stick my neck out and guess that if the tables where turned, you'd be on here saying NL should find childcare rather than risk triggering the other one.

Wingedharpy · 10/10/2022 11:38

I agree with @SquirrelSoShiny .
NL isnot suited to this group at all.
Square peg in round hole springs to mind.

SoupDragon · 10/10/2022 11:45

Hymnulop · 10/10/2022 11:22

You hate her? You sound awful. Shame on you, you don't know what she's been through or her diagnosis etc. What happened to be kind? If you want to meet up and go for baby walks with preglady then do it other times.

And how is NL "being kind"?

Notonthestairs · 10/10/2022 11:47

"NewLady gets upset at the slightest comment, has shouted at people, thrown tantrums, flaunted group rules, screamed in my face etc. "

It doesn't sound like the group is the right fit for her at the moment does it? These sorts of groups do require a bit of effort to stick by agreed behavioural expectations.

I wouldn't be a big fan of somebody that has screamed in my face.

WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:47

@TeapotTitties PregLady feels sorry for her too. I wouldn't mind so much if PregLady had been given the chance to seek additional childcare by this being raised 6 weeks ago.

I do realise that everyone joining the group new is in a bit of a difficult place as friendships have been formed. PregLady was also unaware that the staff had chosen to only tell a few of us and she thinks that has caused an unnecessary divide.

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WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 11:51

The stupid thing is out of everyone in the group it's PregLady that has been tirelessly accepting of the poor behaviour we have seen, incredibly empathetic and very forgiving.

I think she has had her ears blasted by all of us over the arguments that have occurred and she listens but doesn't get involved.

She's very firmly told me to leave it.

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MRSE20 · 10/10/2022 11:53

NL is unsuitable for this group and needs extra care

She is making a group designed for mental health care a toxic place to be which defeats the point for everyone else

ComtesseDeSpair · 10/10/2022 11:58

If this is an NHS-led group with up to five professionals in attendance for each walk, why aren’t they taking the newcomer’s behaviour in hand and allowing her to scream in people’s faces? It honestly doesn’t sound like a particularly healthy or well-run environment at all, with members trying to influence the rules and appearing to form cliques.

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/10/2022 12:04

Agreed @ComtesseDeSpair it doesn't sound like the facilitators / 'therapists' have the skills to manage the group.

Agapornis · 10/10/2022 12:08

NL has said she will not attend the group if there is a baby there

So make sure PL brings the baby, and NL will leave - result!

Edinvillian · 10/10/2022 12:09

Agapornis · 10/10/2022 12:08

NL has said she will not attend the group if there is a baby there

So make sure PL brings the baby, and NL will leave - result!

This was my thought too.

Aprilx · 10/10/2022 12:14

Bringing a baby along to a therapy group sounds pretty unusual to me. But you have written all of this in such a way that nobody should agree with NL.

Anamechangeisasgoodasarest · 10/10/2022 12:15

NL has said she will not attend the group if there is a baby there

Excellent. That's sorted then.

WalkingTalkingIssues · 10/10/2022 12:17

@ComtesseDeSpair I do agree with this as well. I feel that some of the therapists are a bit spineless.

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