Nord Stream... AIBU to be concerned?

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Just catching up on the news of what happened yesterday.

Does anyone feel sick with worry that things are just going to escalate from here on in?

No.

Possibly. But there’s absolutely no way I can influence this, so no point in letting what might happen blight today

I am too OP, everything feels very unstable at the moment and like we are at a tipping point.

I would be more concerned if the parties on all sides were jumping to conclusions and not announcing their intentions to investigate. As it all they have mentioned possible sabotage but have committed to finding out what actually happened to rule out natural disasters. This is deliberate to show courtesy and that we still on some level trust each other. If this is sabotage (it probably is), it is meant as discouragement and is in place of jumping to "harder" stuff. Expect to see more of this kind of "softer" attack (including cyber, further sanctions etc.) as an alternative to escalating to further military use. These kind of threats are deliberately visible, otherwise they wouldn't work.

By "softer" I don't mean any less disruptive, of course. I would expect to see something like the NHS going offline at somepoint as a warning, companies',websites held to ransom then released for a nominal sum, etc. Wars do not go straight to shooting at each other.

Does no one explain anything in their OP anymore? I have no idea what this is about. Yes, I can Google but that's not the point.

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It's a concern. As a country that relies on deep sea infrastructure to import energy, the fact that these can be demonstrably sabotaged is worrying.

No I’m not overly concerned about this particular incident, and am following the war closely. Its obviously not ideal but on the grand scheme of things at the moment this is small fish.

It really isn't small fish - in part because it has escalated fears about further attacks on other gas infrastructure. It's also quite fascinating to watch the disinformation now being spread by bots and sympathisers about this being US led terrorism.

In any case, it is is a huge environmental catastrophe. Methane is a much worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide and it is gushing up out of the sea in enormous amounts now.

Okay fair enough probably bad wording, yes absolutely lots of negative impacts certainly. What I meant was it’s not likely to be the trigger for extreme escalation currently.

I'm concerned about the impact on climate change. I feel a little bit sick thinking of all that methane bubbling up.

I am seriously done with these men and their wars and capitalism destroying our planet.

It's also quite fascinating to watch the disinformation now being spread by bots and sympathisers about this being US led terrorism

You can’t actually believe Russia did it, do you?

you can’t honestly believe the US did it, do you?

you can’t honestly believe the US did it, do you?

Biden and Nuland are on record saying they have ‘ways’ to stop nordstream 2; the loss of Russia’s biggest bargaining chip with Germany certainly doesn’t give Vlad a good motive here

The countries that gain from this is the US and Norway, in all honesty. And Poland.

I was looking to see if there's a thread on this since Seymour Hersh's article, I haven't seen any reporting on this at all.
seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

BerriesOnTop · 29/09/2022 18:02

You can’t actually believe Russia did it, do you?

Having worked on the pre-installation survey for Nordstream 1 and done the annual inspections several times, I know a bit about the infrastructure. When they were laid, there were rumours about explosives being set inside the pipelines. We scoffed at it, at the time.

Having seen the pictures of the damage, it's unequivocal that they were blown from the inside, because the pipes are torn open. If they'd have been blown externally, they'd have been flattened inwards.