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To be terrified about mortgage

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melodypondisasuperhero · 27/09/2022 14:47

We finally managed to get our first mortgage last year and now this is happening. Our rate is 3.09% which runs out in August, currently the follow-on rate is 5% but I imagine this will go up several times before the end of the fix. We could manage 6%, probably just about 8%, but any higher than that and I really don’t know.

AIBU to be terrified? Or am I missing something?

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Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:15

RobynNora · 27/09/2022 22:07

Please could the smug people chirping up with variants of ‘I’m so happy/lucky’ I’m on a fixed rate deal for ages just refrain for a moment! Nobody needs to know this and you’re coming over as incredibly tone deaf when people are terrified and looking for information.

Because this Government has screwed people over. If not by mortgages then with cost of living.

Something will need to be done and ASAP.

The impact of their policies are simply shocking.

TheRealHousewife · 27/09/2022 22:19

HintofVintagePink · 27/09/2022 15:20

a) Yes it is
b) Subjective

I totally agree with @HintofVintagePink . Years ago when I got my first mortgage I was asked a similar question in regards to managing any increase in interest rates. I started at about 7-8% and managed the increases that came after. I was prepared as I had my eyes opened to the fact that interest rates can go up as well as down.

RawChickenTray · 27/09/2022 22:24

Woodsparrow · 27/09/2022 14:49

Is it normal to fix for 2 years on a first mortgage? Genuine question I've never known anyone do that

Anyway, how soon can you start looking at fixing further?

Our first mortgage was a 2 year fix. HTH.

RobynNora · 27/09/2022 22:24

Well yeah. I agree with that entirely @Cosmos123 I don’t understand why people keep voting for them myself but that’s unrelated to my comment that you linked.

I just think that when an OP asks if they’re being unreasonable to be terrified about defaulting on their mortgage and seeking reassurance/advice, it’s pretty obnoxious to see so many people responding with smug posts about their fixes.

FiveMins · 27/09/2022 22:24

rwalker · 27/09/2022 21:29

This isn’t new in late 80s early 90s my mortgage practically doubled
the thing is mortgage rates were at a historical low there only going to go one way

The Tories have fucked up the economy again. I hope people NEVER forget.

whoopdedo · 27/09/2022 22:36

Anyone on a fixed rate that might end soon please pick up the phone to a mortgage broker as you may be able to arrange your next mortgage earlier and secure a better rate.

Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:36

FiveMins · 27/09/2022 22:24

The Tories have fucked up the economy again. I hope people NEVER forget.

It is despairing when they do.
The red wall was conned into voting tory.
The tories had absolute zero interest in them then and could not care less about the impact of rising interest now.

Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:39

I think fixing for a longer period may be worth it . The knowledge of knowing exactly what the mortgage will.be is better than the anxiety of the unknown.

Changechangychange · 27/09/2022 22:40

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 16:05

The last thing the mortgage companies want are thousands of reclaimed houses that they can only sell at a loss

Er, aren't people supposed to be taking out insurance to cover the shortfall in the event the house doesn't cover the capital ? That was certainly a thing a few years back. Although from memory it wasn't insurance for the mortgage holder (i.e. you and me). It was insurance for the lender. And they then got their money back from the (ex) homeowner.

If you have a £200,000 mortgage, and the bank can only sell your home for (say £180,000, you are still on the hook for the £20,000 shortfall. Debts don't disappear unless you are very rich, crooked, or declare bankruptcy.

Come out of your equity usually, doesn’t it? Which is why lenders don’t like lending on more than 70% LTV these days.

They can sell a house for 70% of what it’s worth, then they get their loan back and you just lose your equity. House prices falling by more than 30% would be a major crash, we aren’t at that point yet.

Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:42

In a worst case scenario the banks could offer interest only or extend the mortgage period to make repayments manageable.

This could avoid many repossessions.

Coconutree · 27/09/2022 22:46

Apologies if this is a stupid question. In any job, when you propose something, you will need to back it up with analysis, reasonings, modelling, projection, peer reviews. How is it that KK and truss can just decide on this budget without supporting evidence how they think it will work?

HRTQueen · 27/09/2022 22:47

I can’t get off my variable rate as I ran into financial difficulties when I wa a unwell a few years ago

im beyond worrying now it’s been impacting my health it will make me ill and I can’t afford to be. next year I shall be forced to sell or the bank shall sell for me

Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:49

Coconutree · 27/09/2022 22:46

Apologies if this is a stupid question. In any job, when you propose something, you will need to back it up with analysis, reasonings, modelling, projection, peer reviews. How is it that KK and truss can just decide on this budget without supporting evidence how they think it will work?

They know they are here for a limited time so doing all they can to help Gheorghe mates make money and leVe a mess for labour.

Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:49

*their mates

Cosmos123 · 27/09/2022 22:53

"But a 2020 study by academics at the London School of Economics examined the impact of such policies in wealthy countries over five decades - and found they failed to significantly boost growth or jobs. They were more likely, the study claimed, to widen the gap between rich and the poor."

Coconutree · 27/09/2022 22:58

@Cosmos123 fine, they can pass whatever policy to scratch each other's back. What i dont understand it, why didnt they have to present evidence of how it would work, maybe some sort of detailed economic projection, some historical successes of similar policies elsewhere,etc.

Huiyt · 27/09/2022 23:03

Here is a taster of what is to come.

My payment is going from £440 to £1020.

if you think gas and electricity is bad, this ticking time bomb is a nightmare!

absolutelyanythingwilldo · 27/09/2022 23:08

Huiyt · 27/09/2022 23:03

Here is a taster of what is to come.

My payment is going from £440 to £1020.

if you think gas and electricity is bad, this ticking time bomb is a nightmare!

How is that possible? Can you state your interest rate before and after, and your mortgage amount?

lannistunut · 27/09/2022 23:09

Huiyt · 27/09/2022 23:03

Here is a taster of what is to come.

My payment is going from £440 to £1020.

if you think gas and electricity is bad, this ticking time bomb is a nightmare!

Oh god, this is the stuff of nightmares. I hope you will be able to manage Flowers

RubyJam · 27/09/2022 23:16

Huiyt · 27/09/2022 23:03

Here is a taster of what is to come.

My payment is going from £440 to £1020.

if you think gas and electricity is bad, this ticking time bomb is a nightmare!

This sounds awful for you 🙁

Kendodd · 27/09/2022 23:16

FiveMins · 27/09/2022 22:24

The Tories have fucked up the economy again. I hope people NEVER forget.

Of course they'll forget, just like they forgot all the other times.

absolutelyanythingwilldo · 27/09/2022 23:17

RubyJam · 27/09/2022 23:16

This sounds awful for you 🙁

It sounds wrong tbh.

Trez1510 · 27/09/2022 23:17

Coconutree · 27/09/2022 22:58

@Cosmos123 fine, they can pass whatever policy to scratch each other's back. What i dont understand it, why didnt they have to present evidence of how it would work, maybe some sort of detailed economic projection, some historical successes of similar policies elsewhere,etc.

This is my very basic understanding of what has happened. Would be happy, delighted even, to be corrected with what I've misunderstood.

Yes the policies are traditionally 'stress tested' by the OBR in terms of social impact etc.

However, ThickLizzie and KK decide "Fuck that .... we'll listen to our disaster capitalist mates ... and do what they want ...." Once that decision was made, it is alleged they then told hedge funds their plan in advance of sharing the lunacy with the electorate. Meanwhile, their mates and now the hedgefund managers set about shorting the £, making £Bs for themselves in the process.

I heard the ex-governer of the BoE yesterday saying (obviously paraphrasing here) .... The BoE has its foot on the brake in a tried and tested way of attempting to reduce inflation. TL/KK/their disaster capitalist mates have their foot full on the accelelartor in an attempt to crash the economy (whilst syphoning off as much as possible for their mates).

So far as I understand it, beyond 'helping out' their mates, they intend (now as a result of their reckless spending/borrowing) now to reduce the state - NHS, education, welfare - just about everything that matters to ordinary people.

Meanwhile, tonight, the IMF have confirmed the UK is an economic basketcase and we're circling the drain towards banana-republic territory.

Trez1510 · 27/09/2022 23:19

(*) accelerator

Charlize43 · 27/09/2022 23:23

I remember when interest rates were 17% at the end of the 70s. Although I was a child, my parents discussed it so much it became ingrained in my memory.