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To think Liz Truss MUST call a general election to make “unpopular” and “difficult” decisions that deviate from the last GE manifesto?

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CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 16:02

I get that Liz Truss is a keen new prime minister full of beans and ideas. I just don’t think she has the mandate to push through decisions that are “unpopular” and “difficult” if it deviates from the last general election’s manifesto.

Liz Truss plans radical shift in economic policy: New UK prime minister readies tax-cutting mini-Budget and says she is prepared to be unpopular.

This new prime minister has not gained her position by winning a general election. If she wants to radically change things and be “unpopular” then she needs to put the vote to the people.

Truss talked the talk about promoting “freedom” and not being dictated by “instructions”. But Freedom is not for free. The rule of law applies as “instructions” to help keep society civilised. Checks and balances.

Removing the cap on bankers’ bonuses is a poor PR move. Trickle down economics is problematic and already being criticised as ineffective.

Truss thinks she can do what she wants because she’s party leader and by default became prime minister. But Truss can’t afford to be “unpopular” because she needs to win a general election in her own right first.

AIBU to think Liz Truss must call a general election to make “unpopular” and “difficult” decisions that deviate from the last GE manifesto? Isn’t that how democracy works?!

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CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 20:38

walkingonsunshinekat · 22/09/2022 19:55

Reputable economists? Who? The Marxists at the LSE? Those whose policies have overseen economic disasters exported to every country their gullible students have gone to?

The LSE is world class, 27th out of 1600 global institutions.... so you ve no evidence for your piss poor allegations.

Calling someone a Marxist or a Putin stooge seems to be the Tories only response nowadays.

@Cillery why have you name-called the LSE Marxist?

Weird.

Trickle down economics doesn’t work. Biden made that point recently (seeming to comment on Liz Truss’ policy). There are other ways. Down up and middle out.

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Queuesarasarah · 22/09/2022 20:41

Totally agree. Our political system assumes that the party leader will fulfil the party manifesto, if she continues to invent new policies at the extreme right of her party which weren’t in the manifesto she must have to defend these to the public and allow us our democratic right to vote them totally unacceptable

CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 20:46

walkingonsunshinekat · 22/09/2022 19:50

Brown pretty much carried on Blairs policies, he didn't rubbish Labours previous 11 years in Govt.

Labour are well ahead in the polls and Starmer is ahead in the Who would make the best PM question too.

I think the people are tired of a shockingly poor nhs and a terrible economy/inflation, they can blame it on World events but why is inflation in France 5.8% and ours is 10% ?

That’s a fair argument.

What Truss is doing is radically changing the direction without a proper mandate to do so in her own right.

Good to know the House of Lords can push back if her policies deviate too much from the manifesto.

There’s a video of Truss describing the royal family as ‘disgraceful’ because they’re born into it and not earned their roles through meritocracy or election. Well… same can now be said about Truss herself. It is disgraceful that she has inherited her political PM position and majority; Truss not earned her right to make radical changes and unpopular decisions. Truss was not elected as PM in a general election.

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the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:48

Who will she defend them too though ? They can almost do what they want.
The press will back her up ( especially the Mail) her party will want stability and Labour will just snip away on the background not making much headway.
It's all a bit depressing.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/09/2022 20:49

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:04

Fracking won't benefit normal people anyway
If only the press would shout this from the rooftops instead of sucking up to them all.
Won't hold my breath.

The Tories don't exist to benefit normal people, they exist to benefit the rich. The next 2 years will be spent reducing our rights and asset stripping what's left of the UK.

MarshaBradyo · 22/09/2022 20:49

Labour is ahead isn’t it?

I’m not saying either way who will win but I thought they were leading the polls

CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 20:50

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:48

Who will she defend them too though ? They can almost do what they want.
The press will back her up ( especially the Mail) her party will want stability and Labour will just snip away on the background not making much headway.
It's all a bit depressing.

What we need is a miracle.

I heard 24th September 2022 is Doomsday. Maybe that’ll help put Liz Truss in her place?

It’ll be like Scrooge’s transformation in a Christmas Carol.

One can only hope…

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LovinglifeAF · 22/09/2022 20:52

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/09/2022 16:24

There is nothing we can do and her majority is massive. As long as MPs vote it through, she can do exactly what she wants.

This

theres no way she’s going to make the mistake May did!

urgen · 22/09/2022 20:52

Labour are not the answer.

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:53

I've heard about this doomsday thing :(
Mind you , it's been the 'end of the world 'for years. We will all be here next week I'm sure

ShandaLear · 22/09/2022 20:55

urgen · 22/09/2022 20:52

Labour are not the answer.

‘Are Labour the answer?’ wasn’t the question. Engage with the question asked, not the question you want to answer.

CaptainSamCarter · 22/09/2022 20:55

She knows she isn't going to win the next election (she hasn't even experienced a new prime minister bounce in the polls) so she has no interest in being popular. Her goal is to ensure her friends in high places are able to asset strip the UK as much as possible before the next election. They are disaster capitalists and nothing more.

And the really sad thing is, that Labour will from the next government but it will take decades to undo the damage the Tories have caused. The public are so short sighted they'll blame Labour for their woes, and vote these bastards back in.

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:58

Ms Truss is unhinged and so are her cabinet.
It's scary times ahead.

ArcticSkewer · 22/09/2022 20:59

CaptainSamCarter · 22/09/2022 20:55

She knows she isn't going to win the next election (she hasn't even experienced a new prime minister bounce in the polls) so she has no interest in being popular. Her goal is to ensure her friends in high places are able to asset strip the UK as much as possible before the next election. They are disaster capitalists and nothing more.

And the really sad thing is, that Labour will from the next government but it will take decades to undo the damage the Tories have caused. The public are so short sighted they'll blame Labour for their woes, and vote these bastards back in.

This is my take on it as well (except I think it will vote them out for a decade).
This is a massive asset stripping exercise.
I think we may end up in 1970s IMF loan territory by the end of it

CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 21:03

urgen · 22/09/2022 20:52

Labour are not the answer.

Weird response.

The question was about Liz Truss’ mandate to make radical changes that deviate from the manifesto that won the conservatives the majority at the last GE.

If Liz Truss wants to make radical changes and unpopular decisions, then she needs a proper mandate in her own right. Without a proper mandate she faces opposition and fair backlash. Simply because what Truss is doing is undemocratic and morally wrong.

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the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 21:05

All this borrowing is madness.
They used to blame it on Labour. I hope people remember who is doing the borrowing now.

CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 21:07

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:53

I've heard about this doomsday thing :(
Mind you , it's been the 'end of the world 'for years. We will all be here next week I'm sure

But this doomsday has had an accumulation. The craziness of 2020, pandemic, war, energy crisis etc.

At least we are well prepared for a Doomsday, especially after surviving the past few years!

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CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 21:09

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 21:05

All this borrowing is madness.
They used to blame it on Labour. I hope people remember who is doing the borrowing now.

Borrowing for people and corporations who are already rich…

There needs to be some checks and balances enforced to hold Liz Truss and her government to account.

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Dreikanter · 22/09/2022 21:15

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 20:58

Ms Truss is unhinged and so are her cabinet.
It's scary times ahead.

Truss and Kwarteng were amongst the co-authors of “Britannia Unchained”.

So that’s the PM and Chancellor who have already publicly stated their aims of fewer employment protections and fuck levelling up.

CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 21:24

Dreikanter · 22/09/2022 21:15

Truss and Kwarteng were amongst the co-authors of “Britannia Unchained”.

So that’s the PM and Chancellor who have already publicly stated their aims of fewer employment protections and fuck levelling up.

It’s people like them that makes me want to believe that karma to be a real thing.

But why not play them at their own game?

Why not remove Liz Truss’ employment protections? She has not earned a proper mandate to be prime minister and have the majority she enjoys. So, she should not be allowed to make drastic changes to peoples’ lives.

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the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 21:27

She said she only wrote the bit about education apparently. I can't bring myself to pay for a copy of this book :(

CurseOfBigness · 22/09/2022 21:29

the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 21:27

She said she only wrote the bit about education apparently. I can't bring myself to pay for a copy of this book :(

She endorsed the book. As did the Chancellor she has chosen.

I’m curious to read this now.

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the80sweregreat · 22/09/2022 21:31

I know that Raab was involved in this book too.
Maybe the education bit was about how terrible her state education was ( under the Tories)
Or how we all don't work hard enough.

balalake · 22/09/2022 21:34

A general election is not going to be called before 2024. We suffer because too many people believed the lies of Boris Johnson and/or did not want a former IRA and Hamas sympathiser (Jeremy Corbyn) in number 10.

Boris Johnson abandoned or changed parts of the 2019 Tory manifesto, such as 'getting Brexit done' which he has failed to do.

Blossomtoes · 22/09/2022 21:44

thebellagio · 22/09/2022 16:35

Quite frankly as a country we can’t afford an election right now

Quite frankly we can’t afford not to have one.

Her majority only works if the MPs refrain from rebelling. Given that only 50 of them initially voted for her, that majority is far from reliable.