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I can never tell if men want to be friends or more

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Boooooooom · 17/09/2022 20:33

I worked an agency shift today with a man i haven't met before, but looks a similar age.
Spoke to him briefly during the shift, seemed friendly.
He happened to be getting the same bus home as me and he asked for my phone number whilst waiting.
I said, what for work purposes? And then he said no no so I said I have a partner I'm not interested in that way, I will give you my WhatsApp on a friends basis.
For whatever reason I did, I think I should have said no but I guess I felt awkward with him having to then take the bus with me.
He then rang my number to see if I got a missed all so I couldn't have given him a fake.
I'm thinking shall I just ignore if he messages?
But what if he's just trying to be friendly and it's platonic?
If it were a woman I wouldn't think twice about it.
I just wonder if he'd have asked if I were 67 year old Jane size 22.

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5128gap · 17/09/2022 21:28

Boooooooom · 17/09/2022 20:58

I didn't mean to be nasty with the last one.
It's just such a cliché...whenever you read on here about women's partners having a new 'friend' from work it's always the 25 year old size 8 who they happen to have loads in common with. It's never a mature or larger older lady that they try to be friends with for some reason.

Thats true. But that doesn't mean that just because you're a 25 year old size 8 every man will have designs on you either.
Its not your weight and age that gives you the heads up, it's how they behave. Was he flirty? Did he get a bit too close? Give off any signals he was attracted to you? If not, he might well just be wanting a same age work mate and be a bit pushy, so I'd not make assumptions that he's going to harass you.
As for your number, personally I'd ask him to delete it. Say you want to keep work and home separate. Or if you don't want to be direct just don't answer his messages and if he asks say the same thing.
Any inappropriate behaviour from him, report him.

CristinaNov182 · 17/09/2022 21:30

Sit next to other women or use headphones, or call friends, read a book, text etc
take 10 mins to leave after the end of the shift, or walk with other women

but I’d suggest doing this only after you make it clear, yourself or through your bf, that you’re not interested otherwise he’ll keep pestering you

Unfortunately he’s more likely to be put off by other men, bc he’s already sussed that he can dominate you, 2 times now: you gave him the phone when he cornered you at the bus, and you don’t tell him to fck off when he told you he is checking.

there is a book written by a former police officer and expert in male violence especially against women, and not just violence, and what to do, what to pay attention and how to reply. It did help me when I was followed home by a stranger, enforce I got into a dangerous situation.

The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence
by Gavin de Becker

i’m not saying this guy is one of these men, he might be just a massive c-ck or narcissist, but it’s good to read. A lot of men start with these small impositions and see how far they get. It’s good to know to protect yourself and as women we never know when it might become helpful.

5128gap · 17/09/2022 21:31

Comedycook · 17/09/2022 20:39

Men rarely ask for a woman's phone number to just be friends

They're both young and work mates. Not that unusual in that age group. DSs have lots of numbers of girls they've no designs on. If he was an older man I'd say different.

crochetmonkey74 · 17/09/2022 21:34

It's really not about age or size. It's about pushy men looking for women they can assert their control over (checking the phone number)
Often older women have been round the block and know how to shut it down. I'm a size 22 and have lots of happy, consensual, respectful dates. They are attracted to vulnerability not size or shape

5128gap · 17/09/2022 21:36

Did he actually say he was ringing you to check the number wasn't fake? It's not an uncommon way to swap numbers to take someone's then call them so they also have yours.

CristinaNov182 · 17/09/2022 21:48

This is the blurb for the book. I forgot about the advice about the nanny who gives a mum an uneasy feeling and how to clarify that on the spot with one question only. It is a brilliant book.

The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence
by Gavin de Becker

True fear is a gift.
Unwarranted fear is a curse.
Learn how to tell the difference.

A date won't take "no" for an answer. The new nanny gives a mother an uneasy feeling. A stranger in a deserted parking lot offers unsolicited help. The threat of violence surrounds us every day. But we can protect ourselves, by learning to trust—and act on—our gut instincts.

In this empowering book, Gavin de Becker, the man Oprah Winfrey calls the nation's leading expert on violent behavior, shows you how to spot even subtle signs of danger—before it's too late. Shattering the myth that most violent acts are unpredictable, de Becker, whose clients include top Hollywood stars and government agencies, offers specific ways to protect yourself and those you love, including how to act when approached by a stranger, when you should fear someone close to you, what to do if you are being stalked, how to uncover the source of anonymous threats or phone calls, the biggest mistake you can make with a threatening person, and more. Learn to spot the danger signals others miss. It might just save your life.
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EasilyAmused · 17/09/2022 21:52

TheYearOfSmallThings · 17/09/2022 20:55

He asked for your number because finds you at least somewhat attractive and he wants to know whether you like him enough to give him your number. He may or may not then use it to find out whether you would be willing to have sex with him in the future.

If a man who does not want to have sex with you asks for your number (eg for practical reasons) he will be careful to say why he wants your number. And it is never, ever because he just wants to be your friend.

Fact!

EmmaH2022 · 17/09/2022 22:07

Cristina deeply curious about the one question now!

CristinaNov182 · 17/09/2022 22:09

@TheYearOfSmallThings this man has been given fake numbers so he knows by now that some women had given him their number bc he cornered them not bc they liked him.

  • all of us will be interested to see if we have been given a fake number, but how many will say “I”ve called to check you on it”. It’s very easy to invent a reason, ex: I’ve called to make sure you have gotten my number correctly.

To say it outright you risk someone getting annoyed at you (are you implying I’m a liar? / How dare you check? / You called to what? /fck off) and losing your chance with them, if you had any, so to take that risk it tells me he knows he’s not welcome, he’s already been told she has a bf and not interested, and he’s pushing to test her boundaries, more tests to follow, possibly. Can he corner her again? What else might he get?

and let’s be honest if a dear established friend would have the audacity to check you on things, basically implying they don’t trust you and might just, but just be a liar, how would you feel? But a total strange you just met that day doesn’t raise any alarm bells?

at best he‘s a domineering d-ck pushing his luck, someone to avoid in any case.

namechangetheworld · 17/09/2022 22:14

Some of these replies are weird. Calling someone to check you have taken down the right number is perfectly normal, not 'creepy' or 'sinister' or him trying to assert his dominance 🙄 I do it/have it done to me all of the time - often in the workplace, and usually by other women!

Yeah, he probably fancied you and thought he'd ask for your number. Hardly a crime, especially if he wasn't aware you had a boyfriend. You've made it clear you're in a relationship now, so surely there's no issue here?

CristinaNov182 · 17/09/2022 22:21

EmmaH2022 · 17/09/2022 22:07

Cristina deeply curious about the one question now!

I have the ebook and here it is

“With present-day technology, how much time would you have to spend with a stranger before she wouldn’t be a stranger anymore? How many of your low-tech tests would a baby-sitter have to pass before you’d trust her? We undertake this common yet very high-stakes prediction by reviewing an application and asking a few questions, but let’s really look at this prediction.

For starters, we wouldn’t just interview a woman we met in a park. No, we’d want someone who was recommended by a person we know, because we like to rely on predictions made by others. Our friend Kevin is so bright and honorable, we think, that if he endorses somebody, well, that person must be okay. What often happens, however, is that we attach Kevin’s attributes to the person he recommended, and we don’t listen to our own uncertainty. As we drive away from home, leaving our child behind with someone we met just a half-hour ago, there is that tug that says, “You never really know about people.

In our interview with the baby-sitter, we watch her attentively for any signs of… of what? Drug use? Well, that can be tested with reliability; tens of thousands of drug-screen tests are done every week by employers who have less at stake than parents do when hiring a baby-sitter. Though most people believe the drug question is a critical one, have you ever heard of a parent requiring a drug screen of a baby-sitter candidate? Or a Breath-alyzer test to see if she’s been drinking?

Most parents don’t even contact all the baby-sitter’s references, so it’s no wonder they drive away feeling, “You never really know about people.”

I am not, by the way, suggesting drug tests or polygraphs for baby-sitters, but I am pointing out that we rarely bring even a tenth of the available resources to high-stakes predictions. For example, the question people really want answered by a prospective baby-sitter is

Have you ever mistreated a child?

But they never ask it! Why not? Because people feel that asking a question so direct is rude, or ridiculous, since it wouldn’t be answered truthfully by someone who had mistreated children. Ask the question anyway, and how it is answered will make you more comfortable or less comfortable with that applicant. Imagine you asked, “Have you ever abused a child?” and the applicant responded “with “Define abuse,” or “What have you heard?”

It is entirely fair and appropriate to ask someone to whom you’ll entrust your child to discuss the very issues you care about most. Good applicants will certainly understand, and bad applicants may reveal themselves.

Having not sought any of the information he or she really wants to know, a parent might see the applicant stroke the family cat and think: “She likes animals, that’s a good sign.” (Or worse still: “Tabby likes her, that’s a good sign.”) People want so badly to get someone hired for a job that they spend more time qualifying a candidate than disqualifying a candidate, but this is one process in which it’s better to look for the storm clouds than to look for the silver lining.”

Excerpt From
The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals that Protect us from Violence
Gavin De Becker
This material is protected by copyright.

Octomore · 17/09/2022 22:28

Comedycook · 17/09/2022 20:39

Men rarely ask for a woman's phone number to just be friends

This is my experience too.

Men ask for either practical reasons, or because they want something more than friendship.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 17/09/2022 22:28

I do it/have it done to me all of the time - often in the workplace, and usually by other women!

Me too - I was starting to wonder if I was the only one and people were secretly thinking I'm a controlling weirdo. I'm not! And half the time I find I have put the number in wrong and have to redo it.

CristinaNov182 · 17/09/2022 22:42

namechangetheworld · 17/09/2022 22:14

Some of these replies are weird. Calling someone to check you have taken down the right number is perfectly normal, not 'creepy' or 'sinister' or him trying to assert his dominance 🙄 I do it/have it done to me all of the time - often in the workplace, and usually by other women!

Yeah, he probably fancied you and thought he'd ask for your number. Hardly a crime, especially if he wasn't aware you had a boyfriend. You've made it clear you're in a relationship now, so surely there's no issue here?

He didn’t call to check if she got his number right

he called to check about not “ have given him a fake”. This is how I understand it.

I’ve said calling to check if you got the number right or making sure they have your number right is the polite way to go, calling and saying “just checking you’re not given me a fake (just checking you’re not a liar”) is a bit different, I’d say.

EmmaH2022 · 18/09/2022 01:32

Cristina that's interesting, thank you

RainingRubies · 18/09/2022 03:13

Boooooooom · 17/09/2022 20:59

I should block the number. It's just awkward as i like working at that nursing home but feel like i can't go back now (he's there 4 days a week)

Thought you said you and he had no idea if/ when you'd work together again?

This seems like mountain out of molehill stuff. If he makes you uncomfortable, block him. Not much point making such a big deal out of something so trivial. You didn't have to give him your number. You could just have said "sorry, I keep work and home life separate, I'm sure you understand".

RainingRubies · 18/09/2022 03:15

Boooooooom · 17/09/2022 21:13

The actual shift would be ok as I didn't work directly with him today. It would just be the getting there and back as we used the same bus both ways and the bus stop is a good 10 minute walk from the home.
But you're right I can't just stop going a place because of things like this.
Sadly neither me nor my partner drive! But good suggestions

But you don't have to speak to someone or sit with them just because they get the same bus?! How old are you? This seems very trivial.

RainingRubies · 18/09/2022 03:18

namechangetheworld · 17/09/2022 22:14

Some of these replies are weird. Calling someone to check you have taken down the right number is perfectly normal, not 'creepy' or 'sinister' or him trying to assert his dominance 🙄 I do it/have it done to me all of the time - often in the workplace, and usually by other women!

Yeah, he probably fancied you and thought he'd ask for your number. Hardly a crime, especially if he wasn't aware you had a boyfriend. You've made it clear you're in a relationship now, so surely there's no issue here?

Yep, when I have made female aquaintances and we want to meet up again we do this. One enters the other's number and then calls it to check it is right. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Totally normal behaviour.

mooongooose · 18/09/2022 11:04

namechangetheworld · 17/09/2022 22:14

Some of these replies are weird. Calling someone to check you have taken down the right number is perfectly normal, not 'creepy' or 'sinister' or him trying to assert his dominance 🙄 I do it/have it done to me all of the time - often in the workplace, and usually by other women!

Yeah, he probably fancied you and thought he'd ask for your number. Hardly a crime, especially if he wasn't aware you had a boyfriend. You've made it clear you're in a relationship now, so surely there's no issue here?

From a man to a woman he's just met, yes it is creepy. He's checking it's not 'fake' (ie. she didn't want to give her number). Commonly done when men hit on women on the street etc. to make sure they can't squirm away.

If he wanted to check, he could've asked her to check the numbers are correct. That allows the woman to have a choice to put a 'fake' number if they wish.

But there is also a difference between calling when the woman is right there VS calling later (and accepting the number might be fake). Calling when the person is right there is 100% a dominance thing.

This probably sounds like an incoherent ramble but I really hate when men do this.

Octomore · 18/09/2022 11:10

RainingRubies · 18/09/2022 03:18

Yep, when I have made female aquaintances and we want to meet up again we do this. One enters the other's number and then calls it to check it is right. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Totally normal behaviour.

The dynamic between two women swapping numbers is massively different though.

Lots of women would feel a bit uncomfortable if a man they'd barely met asked for her number without a practical reason for doing so.

There's a subtext (he is sexually interested in you) and a differential in power (is he going to kick off if I say no? Am I safe here?) that isn't present in most interactions between women. Women are socially conditioned to placate and please men, partly as a survival mechanism.

I can't believe an adult woman wouldn't be able to see the difference tbh.

mooongooose · 18/09/2022 11:11

Yep, when I have made female aquaintances and we want to meet up again we do this. One enters the other's number and then calls it to check it is right. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Totally normal behaviour.

Is one of you trying it on with the other?

No. So it's a completely different situation to a woman feeling pressured by a man she doesn't know, to hand her number over. Because if she tries to hand a fake one to make him go away, he'll call the phone in front of her to check.

Boooooooom · 18/09/2022 11:29

He didn't sit next to me on the bus so I hope he got the msg. Hasn't sent anything yet and hopefully won't.

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youarntaguest · 18/09/2022 12:05

Men don't message or ask for numbers on a friendly basis ! They just don't

FarmGirl78 · 18/09/2022 12:29

You really do overthink stuff don't you? He didn't ring your number to check its fake (even if that's what he claimed), he rang it so you'd have his number too. I really do despair of the MN mentality that everyone has an ulterior motive or negative intentions.

Octomore · 18/09/2022 12:33

Wtf? Is this a parallel universe where a man asking a woman for her number shouldnt be assumed to have ulterior motives?

Why do you think he asked for her number? They don't know each other particularly, and he has no practical need for it.

There's no need to respond to that question because we all know the answer, don't we?