I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

Well I like Versailles, so that cancels your point out and we should have a republic.

You are a citizen, not a subject. Look at your passport!

Possibly. People may find that Charles is actually more popular, he's been vocal on the environment (which will appeal to the younger generation more) and has pushed hard for more moves towards sustainability. Hopefully William will be able to continue this now as Charles is no longer allowed to be political.

What sort of information do you think would sway the public in favour of a referendum out of interest?

Given your user name I wouldn't be surprised if you wanted to reintroduce the guillotine 😆

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/institution/The_British_Monarchy

Whilst the monarchists currently have the upper hand it's more than just a few whiney republicans as previous posters have tried to make out but millions of citizens have an alternative opinion and it's a young vs, old, tories vs. others divide. Millions of soulless malcontents.

So what is the value here that's being missed? Forgive me if I'm missing the obvious.

The country has just had a two-year lockdown, costing our economy a fortune. The repercussions have not yet even begun to be felt. The hospitality and service industries are practically on their knees. A war in Ukraine has sent utility bills through the roof. It costs twice as much to fill the car with fuel than it did eight months ago. Children have missed out of vital years - not just months - of their education. The NHS is creaking at the seams, even getting a face-to-face appointment with a GP is nigh-on impossible. There is talk of rationing gas and electricity. The cost of living has soared through the roof, to the point that people are dreading the onset of winter for fear they are unable to meet their bills.

All this is transpiring around us at present, yet still this June the country spent four back-to-back days and an inordinate sum of money on a crass, ostentatious celebration of hereditary privilege. It doesn't compute.

And now, they propose another vulgar display in celebration of the establishment, another bank holiday, more time off school (for which parents would be fined should they take this for their child of their own volition). I can say few words about the value of that to our economy, but its price should be evident even to the most willful of royalists.

Has the UK lost its collective marbles?

I personally respect Charles for his interest and concern for the environment but don't assume the rest of Britain feels the same. Many will tire of his environmental interests and see him as a meddling tree hugger. My DH is a climate change scientist and says the current cabinet is a disaster for the environment but people don't care.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks bullseye.

Gawd, another one!

don't tempt me Derxa 😉

Charles is a massive hypocrite on the environment and I think plenty of young people are clever and switched on enough to see that. If the press was less sycophantic and we had proper transparent reporting on the opaque royal finances, various legal exemptions they've negotiated for themselves etc. I imagine people would be less inclined to keep them in place.

Perhaps you didn’t notice part of the king’s vow. His estates actually belong to the nation and are inherited by the nation. They are in trust for the monarchy.

Perhaps you didn't notice that his personal inheritance from the queen is inheritance tax-free. Not even because he's gone to the faff of setting up a trust, but because a special niche was carved out in law for the royal family. Nice.

How do you think a complete overhaul of our parliamentary system, or judiciary system would aid in the above?
Do you think it would cost more than, or less than, £2bn?
Would it take more than, or less than, 10 days?

How do you think the effects of a vote for abolition would effect our global standing?
What do you think the global effect of that uncertainty would do to interest rates?

Who in society would such changes detrimentally affect the most?

we would have to have a constitution of some sort. How long would this take to design and implement?
And what would the cost be?

There are many valid reasons for wanting the monarchy abolished, but ‘saving money’ isn’t one of them

We have reputedly spent 350 billion on Brexit and the cost is still rising. Constitutional reform which may be part of a more grown-up, activist democracy will be chump change in comparison if it ever comes.

Tony Benn's 5 principles of democracy.

“What power have you got?”
“Where did you get it from?”
“In whose interests do you use it?”
“To whom are you accountable?”
“How do we get rid of you?”

You sound absolutely pathetic.

@PicturesOfDogs or they could just bury her in a funeral with her family present.
She's not special. No need for the shindig.

If the monarchy was abolished then that leaves an opening for the Head the State.

That means the Head of State would be the prime minister.

Not sure you'd be happier with that option. It's best that Head of State is politically unbiased. They create community and togetherness, that's worth a lot.

Couldn't there be a monarchy without all this over the top carry on. The official mourning period, the whole coffin transport, the electronic billboards at bus stops etc taken over with tributes. Then all the fuss with the new king. It's what you'd expect when the North Korean leader dies. Pretty surreal.

It doesn’t have to be the prime minister. Other countries have a different person doing the ceremonial head of state role.

But that’s a completely different argument.

People are complaining about how much a state funeral costs, and using that and other costs as a reason to abolish the monarchy.

If someone said, I don’t care how much abolition costs, it would be worth it to be a republic, then that’s fair enough. Own it.

But that’s not what posters are doing, they are using the costs as an excuse.

If the cost of abolition, and the economic uncertainty it would bring, on top of Covid/Brexit/Ukraine, is worth it to you, then fine.

But just don’t pretend it’s about concerns of cost

The electronic billboards are dystopian

Thought control . Works on some I suppose

It won't go to a referendum, because only a few whiny anti-royalists are complaining. Most people are happy with the Royal family in this country. Don't like it? LEAVE
If you want to stay, suck it up buttercup. The Royals are going nowhere

Why do you keep repeating this same infantile drivel? You don't actually engage with anything you just post the same nonsense over and over again.

Who do you think you are to tell people that they should leave their country of birth? It's quite mind boggling.

It wouldn't necessarily be the PM, although I wouldn't really have an issue if it was.

The point is that the Hos would be elected and more importantly accountable. The King/Queen is neither.

If someone said, I don’t care how much abolition costs, it would be worth it to be a republic, then that’s fair enough. Own it

But that’s not what posters are doing, they are using the costs as an excuse.

That’s exactly what I’ve been arguing. A hereditary monarchy is anti democratic. That’s why it should be abolished.

So then I’m clearly not talking about you then, am I?
I think I’ve been quite clear in my responses I’m opposed to people complaining we shouldn’t have a monarchy based on how much they cost.

I’m no staunch royalist, I’m quite apathetic about the whole thing tbh. I think most people are.

But I think any instability of such a large scale at this time would only have terrible consequences for us, when combined with the other factors from recent years