I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

The French might get more tourism than the UK, but they also have better weather and scenery than we do. The monarchy and all its trappings attract many thousands of tourists.
It's great to have a King, a head of state who doesn't (hopefully) meddle in politics.

I think the scale of the Monarchy and all it entails will be scaled down by King Charles during his reign, he is perhaps more in tune with what is needed.

Meant to quote this. Makes it an absolute no-brainer.

Some of the flooding will be being done by the 77th Brigade. Mumsnet is a key target as you can't see the provenance of a poster easily and is one of the most important forums in the country. They are particularly active on the Ukraine narrative as you will see a poster pile on of well-crafted evidence-based beautifully written posts and have a persistence and application that few other's posters have and often operate 9 -5 !

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_(United_Kingdom)

Provide support to other government departments in the aim to achieve stability overseas; lead on special influence methods; build military capacity in all stages of conflict.

Wired described the brigade as a "psychological operations unit responsible for 'non-lethal' warfare that reportedly uses social media to "control the narrative", as well as disseminating UK government-friendly podcasts and videos

Oh do grow up. It's a public discussion forum where people are free to discuss whatever they like, even if it's not to your taste. You're just as much as an 'insignificant little nobody' as anybody else, so who cares what YOU think?

If that is the case, and it also costs more than it brings in, then getting rid is the way to go for those countries.

Britain is completely different as really to the entire world (bar those countries with monarchies) there only is one monarchy. The Germans just called her THE QUEEN. We also shouldn’t forget she was the most famous person on the planet. She was a bleedin star.

I used to think this but then I realised that the stability of a monarch is much better than having the likes of Trump and Macron.

If I had any faith at all in the UK population to elect intelligent people with the country's best interests at heart, I'd be happy to hear out anti-monarchy arguments. I'm sad the Queen died but found the proclamations embarrassing.

However, looking at the calibre of recent PMs and MPs, not to mention Brexit, I'm glad those people don't get to vote for a head of state too.

My dad's comment yesterday: 'It shows our system works. Look what happened when Trump had to transfer over power!'

Yes, he attempted to undermine his country's democratic constitution and failed. The system worked.

@CousinKrispy
The US system is completely different

People using the US to criticise republicanism either don't understand the difference or dont t care to be precise and hope readers won't question it

There is no requirement to have a person as head of state at all!

Interesting that the Americans sing God Bless America and we sing God Save The King. I don’t believe in God - I’ve seen no evidence of Him doing anything for anyone. However, I’d rather request this mythical character bless all of us than save one - extremely replaceable - monarch.

We really need to move on from feudal times!

Neither of which has anything to do with their monarchy. This makes my point. The monarchies are (generally) not part of the problem. They just bumble along in the background. Governments and parties are democratically elected and make the decisions, not the monarchy.

It's an entirely different role! The Queen is not comparable to Macron or Trump, who have/had actual power. I'm honestly staggered at how many people on here don't know this.

Look at your next door neighbour to see how it works. One head of government, one head of state.

I'm not "reigned over" at all. I'm not anti royal, but would never seek them out. The chances of me coming across them are slim, but I wouldn't curtsey because I don't know how and would look bonkers doing it.

In any case the royal family have very little real power to worry about.

Exactly.

Quite.

It seems that those who favour an unelected head of state also struggle a little with freedom of expression for those who disagree with them.

But we don’t need a president with their powers when we have a prime minister, government and parliament that already cover all of that.

Completely agree with you. Unfortunately looks like we will have to live with this kind of archaic thing for maybe another century.

I do think being a figurehead must be immensely boring and some of the minor royals would be much better off having a proper job.

What's wrong with Macron? Puzzled.

As some have said we could have had Andrew or Harry and there wouldn't have been a thing we could do about it. I don't buy that Andrew would have been pure as the driven snow if he had been the eldest.

They bumble along anonymously, making little to no impact on the wealth/standing of those countries.

Britain meanwhile has the eyes of the whole planet on them.

And err...the last sentence, so does the UK system.

It's similar to.

I'm drawing a comparison, not using it in a TOWIE sense as in "I was like blah and he was like, well babes ..." which I think you're trying to imply I was doing.

"Off you pop" is a lazy phrase that's meaningless. In that sense it's like/similar to "be kind" and others.

Clear now?

I agree OP. The thought of King Charles on my banknotes makes me cross.

Don't most countries in Europe have an extreme party in their mainstream political groups? However fringe or otherwise they are?

The Republic of Ireland and UK, for example, has an extreme political party in Provisional Sinn Féin which all intelligence services on both countries notes is still controlled by the Provisional Army Council and still has access to weapons. The most that can be said about the Provisional I.R.A is it is simply dormant while it believes the political process is working to its advantage.

You could argue the United States now has an extreme political side too as the Capitol Hill insurrection proved.

Sweden is a Constitutional Monarchy and is widely respected across Europe still. Canada is also a Constitutional Monarchy.

You haven't actually negated anyone's point about Constitutional Monarchies.

As for Spain, the Catalonian people are themselves divided on the issue of independence. Not even the EU recognised the illegal Separatist Catalan referendum and for good reason. What the UK did in relation to Scotland is irrelevant to what Spain or any other country does. Arguably, the UK should follow what almost every other country in the world does because international law is very clear that there is no right to secession and its not undemocratic to prevent an independence referendum.

Again, that has little to do with a Constitutional Monarchy system since Republics agree there is zero democratic right to secession. The Federal Republic of Germany certainly ruled it illegal for Bavaria to secede from Germany. France will not grant Corsica an independence referendum since their position is France is indivisible. Secession in the United States was settled 170+ years ago - States cannot secede and they've made it virtually impossible for California or Texas to break away.

Only two countries in the world allow for secession as a democratic right. Ethiopia and Saint Kitts & Nevis.

Your argument against a Constitutional Monarchy has not been demonstrated well there on those points.