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Told my agency I wasn't going back to this school, feel guilty and unprofessional

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Cheeseburger43 · 11/09/2022 10:29

I only had 5 days left but couldn't face that.
I did post about it on here and received a lot of good advice.
The behaviour was disgusting, it felt very unfair on the good students and I made sure they were rewarded.
I've inconvenienced them as they'll have to get another supply for next week now. But I'm sure anyone would be better than me.
The noise levels were a joke, and I had older classes were 75% of them spoke to me like dirt.
I'd tell the class something and they'd all start shouting/screaming at me in protest, all at once. I couldn't hear myself speak.
What gives them the right to talk to me like that?
I followed the behaviour policies, it helped for some students but sadly not many. They just saw it as another detention or head of year speaking to under their belt.
They'd literally not look at me and just talk loudly to each other like I was invisible. I just didn't matter at all.
I'd stop talking, sit/stand and wait, just put instructions on the board, move seats etc. But some of them just didn't care.
I had a student tell me I looked like I had cancer?
One threaten me that there'd be consequences if I gave him detention as his family were well-known in the area.
Told to shut up by an 11 year old. Called a bitch.
A lot of the books as a result were not beautifully presented as the teacher had requested and I feel bad for this.
On my last day I tidied up the books I did have

I just emailed the agency and explained why I wasn't returning. They did understand, were apologetic and said they'd report it.
I gave in my lanyard at reception and told them I wasn't coming back.
I'm looking for a new career path for different reasons, I feel that I let the school down.
Honestly feel that the only teacher who could get those classes to listen to supplies is somebody they're afraid of/intimidated by, which is sad.

OP posts:
AliceBlueGown · 11/09/2022 12:57

@Teacherdeathstare - my advice would be to hide this thread. Go in tomorrow with an open mind, know where you can find support (because it will exist whether SLT or within the dept or staffroom). If you don't like the set up then don't go back. To have your classroom trashed, by 34 top set boys, taking a MFL that apparently they didn't choose to study and then have absolutely no support from anyone is surely rare (teacher of over 30 years here) and you simply don't go back the next day. Or you create a big drama on MN.

Cheeseburger43 · 11/09/2022 13:01

@AliceBlueGown that's quite a weird and unnecessary comment. 'create a big drama' erm..well the site is kinda here for advice? What exactly did you think it was for?

OP posts:
Cheeseburger43 · 11/09/2022 13:02

@AliceBlueGown luckily 99% of people here are fantastically supportive. You always get one though..

OP posts:
Disneyblueeyes · 11/09/2022 13:05

Cheeseburger43 · 11/09/2022 11:33

The advice we were given on inset day was "Don't reprimand students in front of their peers as it will embarrass them." Well they shouldn't bloody misbehave in the first place.

This advice is thrown around a lot and is complete and utter bullshit, and impractical. If you have to stop a lesson to go and speak to them 'quietly' then it's in public anyway, loud or quiet.

I do think to some extent building relationships plays a part, but so does giving child a royally good bollocking when they need it.

SequinsandStilettos · 11/09/2022 13:06

Tips:
Write down the five years of year, ready to name drop them.
Have box of cheap biros, pencils, A4 paper and board pens.
Look and dress the part.
Know the consequences/behavioural policy and who your first port of call is after you have given 2 verbal warnings, had a quiet word outside, moved their place etc (4 actions is enough, there should be a fellow teacher to take one, an on-call or an exit room by now).in-game
Love and use any TA/LSA at your disposal, should you be so lucky. Ask them in front of the class to write down the names of any pupils not following [insert name of school] policy.
Get them in, get them on, get them out.
If no Do Now is available ask them to read their private reading book (if they have none, ask them to read material in their planner, if they have none ask them to write in A4 what they remember from their last lesson).
Pick up one of their books to see what that was/where they are up to.
If they have a planner on the desk, eye them surreptitiously to call them by name, ask for their planner on your desk if they have broken a rule (only do this if you think it won't escalate/become a stand-off) and try to praise the good behaviours first.

Will be back with more later x

Cheeseburger43 · 11/09/2022 13:07

If you read properly you'd see I did ask for support a couple of times, but it's not a magical solution.

OP posts:
SequinsandStilettos · 11/09/2022 13:08

heads of year

Toddlerteaplease · 11/09/2022 13:09

I work for a nursing agency, I told them that there was a particular hospital that I don't like going to and why. I don't see the issue.

CottonSock · 11/09/2022 13:09

You did everything you could. I read your other thread. I hope you feel relief.

SequinsandStilettos · 11/09/2022 13:10

Sorry about typos, on a kindle x

NeverDropYourMooncup · 11/09/2022 13:11

It's not your problem what happens next.

You're free and safe, which is what counts.

AliceBlueGown · 11/09/2022 13:11

@Cheeseburger43 This is your second thread on the topic in as many days. What advise do you want other than don't go back tomorrow? - what support do you need?

StopStartStop · 11/09/2022 13:11

You did the right thing, OP. I held my last teaching job for 19 years, and I should have left after the first three weeks.

Nobody deserves that kind of treatment.

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/09/2022 13:12

BrokenMatress · 11/09/2022 12:03

You have made numerous threads about this
You are clearly not made out to be a supply teacher
Forget it and move on.

That is a terrible thing to say. The OP did the right thing. It is possible to deal with difficult students if there is back up from SLT and this was clearly not happening.

I wish the OP well and hope she finds a better school. This school is failing both its staff and students.

GroggyLegs · 11/09/2022 13:14

I'd imagine one of the positives of being a supply teacher - which from the outside sounds like a bit of a thankless task - is you can say "NO" to exactly this situation.

Good for you. Enjoy the feeling that you never have to go back there & those aren't your children!

oddoneoutalways · 11/09/2022 13:14

Bloody hell OP that sounds dreadful. I'm not a teacher, but I am a parent of a primary aged children and honestly if the children at our school behaved like that there would be hell to pay. I assume you're talking about secondary age but still - I would be absolutely raging and mortified if my child behaved like that at any age.

Sure there are tricky moments at our school (my child is KS1) with such young children you're going to have tantrums and unidentified SEN etc and sometimes, just going on what my child tells me, one of the children will be what is considered 'really naughty' by the others and be rude to their teacher or refuse to do something, or throw something/scribble on books etc. it's just not tolerated! They also have to apologise to their classmates for disrupting their lesson.

And before anyone jumps on me saying it's not fair on the unidentified SEN children, my child is an identified and diagnosed one and they're fabulous with her. They're really good at picking it up, getting support in place and they obviously make allowances and deescalate for certain things if a child can't help it. They just don't tolerate poor behaviour!

strawberriesarenot · 11/09/2022 13:17

Glad you are out of it. It does happen, and it's not just you. I know of a school in Peterborough that has to look out of the county for supply.

SequinsandStilettos · 11/09/2022 13:25

OP
I have not read your last thread. I will say, however, that a top set/good class can, on occasion, wreck a lesson if they choose to. Does not happen often, but can happen (also, a top set may include a couple whose behavioural is challenging, in a bid to bring them up).
Are you an NQT/finishing training/left permanent for flexibility?
You do need to do what is best for your mental and physical health. Supply can be draining and you need resilience or a game plan.
Longer assignments work for job security/getting the feel of a place/if you are open to permanent and all that goes with it. Day-to-day is a young person's game, in terms of how flexible you need to be to earn enough for the year (even then, it can come out as 18k plus, so you may want to think about other school roles).
Do not feel guilty about your agency. You will be one of many and they may give you an easier school on your next assignment.
As for where you were, they will have to use PPA and pay it back or SLT to cover, in the worst case scenario. You won't be the first or last.

Msloverlover · 11/09/2022 13:49

I honestly wouldn’t give it another thought. The school won’t!

Mountainpika · 11/09/2022 13:55

I worked as a supply and sometimes part-time teacher in primary schools for 20 years and loved it. I didn't go through an agency - my name was passed from one school to another and heads would take me with them when they moved to another school. Mostly small town and village schools. Going back to the same schools enabled me to build relationships with the childen over the years. It suited me very well as I am too disorganised to be a fulltime teacher with all the records and paperwork to deal with. Supply suited my temperament and abilities and I could say no if not convenient.
I was lucky. But the classes described here - no, definitely not on. You have not failed, OP. You have been let down. Good luck.

Pinkflamingoseverywhere · 11/09/2022 14:03

I manage cover in a difficult school, we have supply that refuse to come back all the time, equally I've refused to have some supply staff back for various reasons. It's no big deal, honestly don't worry about it.

ICanHideButICantRun · 11/09/2022 14:12

I've just seen that your other thread was about going to work in a women's prison.

I think you could do with a break from working with volatile people. What are your skills? Whereabouts do you live? Can you start a new thread asking for advice about a new career?

MomOfTwoGirls2 · 11/09/2022 14:12

Op, hold you head up high.
It was them not you.

Walking was the sensible thing to do
Nobody should put up with how you were treated. Know your own worth and don’t be so hard on yourself.

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/09/2022 14:31

ICanHideButICantRun · 11/09/2022 14:12

I've just seen that your other thread was about going to work in a women's prison.

I think you could do with a break from working with volatile people. What are your skills? Whereabouts do you live? Can you start a new thread asking for advice about a new career?

Years ago I knew a young woman who taught in a male prison. Her students were very well behaved partly because there were Prison Officers in the room and partly because it gave them something to look forward to in their boring day and they knew the privilege would be removed if they misbehaved.

Letsdancedavidbowie · 11/09/2022 14:32

I imagine in a prison, you can also just press a button and someone will remove them within seconds

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