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Schools closed for the Queen’s funeral

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Notme1980 · 10/09/2022 11:09

First off, Queen Elizabeth II was an amazing ruler and an inspiration, we are a forces family and my husband has served her for 30 plus years.

but - I do not want the schools to be closed for her funeral (or for any reason at all), I want us to do what I believe she would have done, press on.

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ThrallsWife · 11/09/2022 08:55

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 08:54

Don't know if it's already been asked, but will schools have to make up the day elsewhere in the school year now? As children obviously won't have the correct number of days of education this academic year?

No, the extra bank holiday will not have to be made up.

mum2bee2022 · 11/09/2022 08:56

Snailsaresweet · 10/09/2022 21:46

Before everyone goes "woo hoo, another bank holiday" it is worth looking at the wording of the government announcement :"The government confirmed the day of the funeral would work in the same way as other bank holidays, and that there would be no statutory entitlement to time off, with employers able to include it as part of a worker’s leave entitlement." Legally, the minimum entitlement to holiday is 5.6 weeks, which includes bank holidays. So, if the number of bank holidays goes up by one day, technically an employee is entitled to one day less of non-bank holiday. Whether employers will enforce this, who knows, but they are legally entitled to do so!

Exactly, a teaching day should be added on before the start of the next school holiday!

ThrallsWife · 11/09/2022 08:58

mum2bee2022 · 11/09/2022 08:56

Exactly, a teaching day should be added on before the start of the next school holiday!

Do you really begrudge school staff and children an extra day off that much?

Should everyone be made to work an extra day or is it just schools you have an issue with?

Zonder · 11/09/2022 08:58

Exactly, a teaching day should be added on before the start of the next school holiday!

And of course banks need to open one Sunday to make up for being closed one day, and doctors and dentists and anyone else who dares to mark the Queen's funeral with this bank holiday.

For goodness sake!

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 08:59

ThrallsWife · 11/09/2022 08:55

No, the extra bank holiday will not have to be made up.

I thought children were legally meant to have a certain number of school days per year though?

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 11/09/2022 09:00

ThrallsWife · 11/09/2022 08:54

It's not pro-monarchist to have a lot of respect for the Queen and her work 😂

Most of the RF, with few exceptions, have not acted in such a restrained way throughout their lives, and have done as much for our country as she has. There is a reason that, not long ago, many on here have said that the monarchy should die with the Queen.

And why the "safe space" rubbish? Last time I checked, we have freedom of speech and freedom of expression, so don't tell me to shush just because my opinion differs to your clearly republican one 😆

Erm, you're literally the person who saw fit to tell others what they should be saying, so the freedom of speech part is hilariously misplaced. The hypocrisy is beautiful.

By all means describe your stance as something other than pro monarchist if you want, but whatever it is, it's not your place to tell other people to fall in with it. You overstepped.

Supergirl1958 · 11/09/2022 09:01

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 08:54

Don't know if it's already been asked, but will schools have to make up the day elsewhere in the school year now? As children obviously won't have the correct number of days of education this academic year?

I'm not sure. Id be more than happy to do an extra day...or week...you know to help with childcare 🙄😉

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 09:01

Supergirl1958 · 11/09/2022 09:01

I'm not sure. Id be more than happy to do an extra day...or week...you know to help with childcare 🙄😉

It's not about childcare, it's about the fact that children are entitled to a certain number of days education per year.

the80sweregreat · 11/09/2022 09:02

I just hope they give people lots of notice for the Coronation, might be better to choose a Saturday!

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 09:03

Zonder · 11/09/2022 08:58

Exactly, a teaching day should be added on before the start of the next school holiday!

And of course banks need to open one Sunday to make up for being closed one day, and doctors and dentists and anyone else who dares to mark the Queen's funeral with this bank holiday.

For goodness sake!

No, those people will have it taken off their annual leave or if they've used up their annual leave for this year already, they will have to make it up. It won't just be an extra day off.

Supergirl1958 · 11/09/2022 09:04

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 09:01

It's not about childcare, it's about the fact that children are entitled to a certain number of days education per year.

I know, perhaps you need a lesson in how to read emojis!! I'm a teacher and fully aware of children's entitlement to to 190 days of education a year, thankyou very much. I was trying (and obviously failing) to display some sarcasm!

noblegiraffe · 11/09/2022 09:05

I thought children were legally meant to have a certain number of school days per year though?

They had the extra bank holiday for the Jubilee last year, so 189 days.

Academies and free schools (which most schools now are) are not bound by the 190 days requirement at all.

Zonder · 11/09/2022 09:05

Heckythump1 · 11/09/2022 09:03

No, those people will have it taken off their annual leave or if they've used up their annual leave for this year already, they will have to make it up. It won't just be an extra day off.

Rubbish. It's a Bank Holiday!

noblegiraffe · 11/09/2022 09:06

Schools also don't have to 'make up' snow days, or broken boiler days, or burst water main days or storm days.

Supergirl1958 · 11/09/2022 09:06

the80sweregreat · 11/09/2022 09:02

I just hope they give people lots of notice for the Coronation, might be better to choose a Saturday!

I think it's already confirmed as a Bank Holiday...but I may be wrong.

ThrallsWife · 11/09/2022 09:10

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior Telling someone to show some bloody respect and telling them to shut up about their opinions are two different things.

A bit like the difference between telling someone they can never participate in comedy and telling them to not perform a comedy piece at a funeral.

Mizmerise · 11/09/2022 09:15

How can there be 22 pages of comments on this?! That’s so funny 😂

Its a bank holiday. It IS happening. No, there won’t be an additional teaching or business day to make up for it.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 11/09/2022 09:17

ThrallsWife · 11/09/2022 09:10

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior Telling someone to show some bloody respect and telling them to shut up about their opinions are two different things.

A bit like the difference between telling someone they can never participate in comedy and telling them to not perform a comedy piece at a funeral.

Right then, tell us how someone whose opinions are the opposite of yours and who thinks you're in the wrong can 'show some bloody respect' on this thread in a way that doesn't involve shutting up about them. Someone who doesn't actually think respect is warranted, for example.

The answer to this, incidentally, is not going to be them expressing a modified version that you find acceptable, as that's going to mean shutting up about part of it too. How do you think this would look?

1dayatatime · 11/09/2022 09:37

@ThrallsWife

"She was 96 years old, has worked all her life and was still working in her last few days before her passing. How many of you can claim the same?"

Bore off with your last bit

@LampLighter414 - just because Thralls pointed out that the Queen had a different work ethic and commitment to public service than the majority of the population I don't see why she should "bore off".

Abraxan · 11/09/2022 09:48

freckles20 · 10/09/2022 23:10

I'm astounded by the amount of teachers posting who seem to really dislike their job and the young people who they teach.

It is undoubtedly a really difficult job, if that is how you feel you should consider a change of career to put yourself and your pupils out of their misery. They deserve better- even if that is BBC bite size!

How many posters have actually said anything like that though?
I don't think I've read any posters in this thread who are claiming to be teachers who,dislike their jib and the children they teach.

freckles20 · 11/09/2022 09:53

I love my job @Twiglets1. I really
really enjoy it and after decades doing a job I didn't love I feel very lucky.

Im self employed and yes, the extra BH with short notice will mean that I have to work my usual hours but for far less customers- so a full days work for almost no pay. That will happen because of course most customers will understandably cancel which is absolutely fine, others will still need me, again absolutely fine.

So it will impact me financially on my busiest day, but it's not a major issue and this is one of the negatives of being self employed.

I'm only complaining about this one day though. It doesn't mean I dislike my job, or my customers every day. That's the difference between me and some of the teachers on here who sound so worn down and bitter. There type of people do themselves and their pupils a disservice.

Abraxan · 11/09/2022 09:53

Exactly, a teaching day should be added on before the start of the next school holiday!

The government can't afford to pay every teacher, TA, lunchtime assistant, caretaker, admin staff and al others who work in schools an extra day's pay, which they'd have to do if they were not given the additional bank holiday that their,contract makes them entitled to do.

I assume you think that all banks and government offices, who,will be closed, will also need to work an additional day later in the year too. If not, why not?

And re the 190 days. That is in a 'normal' year. There are exemptions in place to cover exceptional closures if schools. This is one such exemption.

Abraxan · 11/09/2022 09:56

No, those people will have it taken off their annual leave or if they've used up their annual leave for this year already, they will have to make it up. It won't just be an extra day off.

Yes, they too will have an additional bank holiday as an extra day off. Just like they did for the jubilee.

If someone's contract entitles them to bank holidays and an additional one is granted then they get it. They don't have to take it from their annual leave at all.

Everyone of my friends last year was entitled to the extra bank holiday granted for the Jubilee. Not one had to use a day's annual leave. All have one extra paid holiday day. They will have this one added too.

Twiglets1 · 11/09/2022 10:01

freckles20 · 11/09/2022 09:53

I love my job @Twiglets1. I really
really enjoy it and after decades doing a job I didn't love I feel very lucky.

Im self employed and yes, the extra BH with short notice will mean that I have to work my usual hours but for far less customers- so a full days work for almost no pay. That will happen because of course most customers will understandably cancel which is absolutely fine, others will still need me, again absolutely fine.

So it will impact me financially on my busiest day, but it's not a major issue and this is one of the negatives of being self employed.

I'm only complaining about this one day though. It doesn't mean I dislike my job, or my customers every day. That's the difference between me and some of the teachers on here who sound so worn down and bitter. There type of people do themselves and their pupils a disservice.

I haven't seen any teachers on here sounding worn down and bitter. They just want to take a BH that has been granted by King Charles without being criticised, like all the other people who will get BH Monday off work on the 19th September. I'm not a teacher but a teaching assistant. I see first hand how hard their job is and how despite that, the vast majority stay enthusiastic so it's not fair to criticise them unless you are also criticising everyone else in the country getting an extra days leave. And that seems a bit mean-spirited doesn't it?

Shinyandnew1 · 11/09/2022 10:04

That's the difference between me and some of the teachers on here who sound so worn down and bitter. There type of people do themselves and their pupils a disservice.

I haven’t seen any evidence of teachers sounding worn down or bitter! Just teachers being given a Bank Holiday by the king, the same as many other people. Only teachers seem to have been criticised for it though!

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