Teacher keeping Y1s behind for 15 minutes?

[OMeOMy]

Yesterday was DC's 1st day in Y1 and my first day back at work after mat leave (WFH). I'd negotiated taking a late lunch to allow me to pick up DC from school. The teacher kept them all behind for 15 mins. When I asked DC (admittedly not necessarily a reliable witness) he said some of the children at the back of the queue were being noisy and the teacher wouldn't let them all our until they stopped messing around. AIBU to think this was unreasonable on the teacher's part? I was 15 mins late logging back on to work on my first day back - presumably other parents had similar commitments/potentially other kids to collect. I'm still quite new to being a school parent so keen to hear other people's thoughts before potentially mentioning something to the school (if this happens again). Ta!

[Ihatethenewlook]

@Creativecrafts

It's easy to see from this thread how many parents are so entitled and unsupportive of their child's teachers.
If parents are inconvenienced by the children being kept in, it might lead to them talking to their child about the necessity of doing as their teacher tells them.

Children can be disciplined in school during breaks. It’s not entitled for generally busy parents to expect to be able to pick their children up at the correct time.

[Kashmirsilver]

Interesting how teachers seem uninterested in timekeeping.

[Crunchymum]

@Ihatethenewlook

15 minutes to me would mean me missing the bus to my shift full of time critical patients. I’d have my entire shift taken off me by on call. I’d be £120 down and still have to pay the childminder

You take your child to work with you?

[Antarcticant]

I've never understood this business of punishing the whole class because some of them are misbehaving. It seems an out-dated, Enid Blyton era notion that the rest of the class will somehow make the miscreants see the error of their ways. There's no value in children behaving well if they are going to be punished anyway because of what others have done.

[WillPowerLite]

Email the teacher. Explain the problem. As a pp said, s/he may not realise how this can impact people. It is not okay and the teacher needs to develop an alternate behaviour system.

Calm down the lot of you with ' email the head', etc. Try talking (via email if necessary) to your child's teacher first.

[ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor]

Quite normal unfortunately but I hate collective punishment. I constantly have fights with my kids school over this, it doesn’t work and it just makes other kids loose out.

[Creativecrafts]

@Makemeanxray

@Creativecrafts

Do you really lack that much self awareness?

I don't understand your comment.

[Creativecrafts]

@Ihatethenewlook

Children can be disciplined in school during breaks. It’s not entitled for generally busy parents to expect to be able to pick their children up at the correct time.

If they're messing around at home time then it's too late to discipline them during breaks. As I said, if it is inconvenient for parents, they might think twice about how their children are behaving.

[Antarcticant]

As I said, if it is inconvenient for parents, they might think twice about how their children are behaving

But the majority of the children were behaving, so what use would their parents thinking twice about that be?

[mam0918]

@Crunchymum

You take your child to work with you?

she needs to collect her child from location A and deliver them to location B (weather thats childcare at work which some do have or the childminders) its really not something that requires querying.

example:

Say child gets out at 3.30, it takes 10 minutes to walk them to the childminders (3.40) usually a few minutes to get through secruity protocol and hand them over (3.45) and then 5 minutes to walk to the station (3.50) for a bus at 3.55.

now say child comes out a 3.45 instead, it STILL takes 10 minutes to walk to childminders (3.55) even if she could drop the kid immediately at the door without check in the bus is now leaving and she is still 5 minutes away.

lets say she could half the walking time by running (carrying the child and bags) she STILL would miss the bus. Kid out (3.45) arrive at childminders knacked and out of breath (3.50), check child in (3.55) run for bus that has left (3.57)

Buses where I live come hourly so even if I got the next one I would be over an hour late in which case on a shift like care or nursing 'on call' have taken the shift.

Not hard to understand at all.

[affor]

How far do you live from school that the run takes an hour?

[Anon778833]

Group punishments are always wrong. The teacher is a twat.

[RedHelenB]

No way would a Y1 teacher keep the whole class back for this length of time. Maybe a few minutes late out if they were checking who's lost jumper it is etc

[FrippEnos]

OMeOMy

Go talk to the teacher, as long as you don't 'rip them a new one', they may tell you what happened.

[MXThelp]

Reading this takes me right back to those awful days. I got the bus to and from school from the age of 7. There was one bus an hour to the village where I lived. We had a teacher who enjoyed keeping the whole class back if one child was silly. If I missed the bus home and couldn't travel with the 2 or 3 other kids who lived near me, I would be stuck at the side of a busy road for an hour, at the mercy of the bullies from the local secondary school and the flashers, sometimes they wouldn't let me on the bus and I would be stuck for another hour. My mum was at work and couldn't collect me. I don't know if there are still kids in that situation, but there must be a better way than to punish everyone.

[Crunchymum]

@mam0918

she needs to collect her child from location A and deliver them to location B (weather thats childcare at work which some do have or the childminders) its really not something that requires querying.

example:

Say child gets out at 3.30, it takes 10 minutes to walk them to the childminders (3.40) usually a few minutes to get through secruity protocol and hand them over (3.45) and then 5 minutes to walk to the station (3.50) for a bus at 3.55.

now say child comes out a 3.45 instead, it STILL takes 10 minutes to walk to childminders (3.55) even if she could drop the kid immediately at the door without check in the bus is now leaving and she is still 5 minutes away.

lets say she could half the walking time by running (carrying the child and bags) she STILL would miss the bus. Kid out (3.45) arrive at childminders knacked and out of breath (3.50), check child in (3.55) run for bus that has left (3.57)

Buses where I live come hourly so even if I got the next one I would be over an hour late in which case on a shift like care or nursing 'on call' have taken the shift.

Not hard to understand at all.

Fair enough but surely this is the exception not the rule? Losing a days wages etc is extreme but is not going to be a problem for most people?

(I have done more than my fair share of waiting in playgrounds I hasten to add)

[Creativecrafts]

@RedHelenB

No way would a Y1 teacher keep the whole class back for this length of time. Maybe a few minutes late out if they were checking who's lost jumper it is etc

A year 1 teacher might well do this, especially at the start of term when they are trying to impose some order in their class. Parents who think this is wrong obviously are not teachers themselves and have no idea of class management.

[Anon778833]

@Creativecrafts

A year 1 teacher might well do this, especially at the start of term when they are trying to impose some order in their class. Parents who think this is wrong obviously are not teachers themselves and have no idea of class management.

On MN there is this unspoken rule that teachers can never be wrong. Yes they can! They can also be narcissistic people or unfair just the same as personality types in any other job type.

oh and I come from a family of teachers.

[Antarcticant]

@Creativecrafts

A year 1 teacher might well do this, especially at the start of term when they are trying to impose some order in their class. Parents who think this is wrong obviously are not teachers themselves and have no idea of class management.

But by punishing the whole class for the misbehaviour of a few, the teacher is likely to lose the respect of those pupils who were doing absolutely nothing wrong.

[FrippEnos]

@Anon778833

On MN there is this unspoken rule that teachers can never be wrong. Yes they can! They can also be narcissistic people or unfair just the same as personality types in any other job type.

oh and I come from a family of teachers.

The thing is that no-one really knows what happened.
It could be exactly as the OP's child describes in the OP.
It could be that they were messing around and not getting ready to leave and the teacher couldn't release half the class due to where their classroom is
It could be that the teacher is just making sure that the pupils are going to do as they are told and is laying down the rules.
or a combination of all three.
It could be something else.
The OP needs to ask.

[Summerfun54321]

Are you absolutely sure you got the pick up time correct?! Pick up times are staggered across the school for different year groups at my DC’s school.

[AllThingsServeTheBeam]

@SofiaSoFar

This. Some of these comments are unbelievable.

"I would 'just' take my DC..."

🙄

Why? I would. They get penalised for being late in the morning they should let them go on time at home time

[BestTeacherMug]

Teacher here and this teacher is a twat, has no idea what the behaviour policy is, has no idea how to manage behaviour as a class and sounds like she's probably disliked by colleagues, children and parents.

@Creativecrafts you need some additional training, my dear.

[ILoveMonday]

@Ihatethenewlook

Children can be disciplined in school during breaks. It’s not entitled for generally busy parents to expect to be able to pick their children up at the correct time.

Generally busy parents who can't be arsed to teach their children to be respectful are the reasons why teachers have to do this sort of thing. Not everything can be left to the school to do

[Ihatethenewlook]

@Crunchymum

You take your child to work with you?

No? I collect him at 3. I’m at the school 15 minutes early so I’m first at the gate and he’s first out the door. He’s at the childminders by 10 past and I have 17 minutes to get to the bus stop which I already have to power walk/jog. If they kept him in for 15 minutes I’d be screwed. And there can be all sorts of reasons for parents why this is unacceptable, and one of the reasons why I moved my children from their last school. I moved house a few years ago but tried to keep my children at their old school despite it being a few miles away on public transport. They were meant to get out at 3.15 and the next buses home were 3.25 and 4.25. The school regularly let them out so late that me and my dc had to sit at the bus stop for an hour for the next bus.