To think it's Shocking Truss and Sunak

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To both of them not annouce their ideas/policies for cost of living until they are PM?

I mean where else would this be acceptable?

Applying for a job. Well wait till you offer me the job then I will tell you my ideas.

General election. No manifestos just vote whoever then see the party policies.

Surely if they both announced their plan then MPs could vote accordingly. ( well maybe).
It is outrageous. Why is it acceptable?

They won't even give interviews at this point.

Agreed

Terrified at the prospect of either of them being elected tbh.
Think Sunak might be marginally better for the country than Truss.
God help us all.

Because Truss has already won. Having Sunak set out an alternative is just leverage for further division in the media, which the party doesn't want. It's not like there was anything democratic about it to begins with, only the Conservative members get a vote.

Hopeless cunts, the pair of them. I am genuinely embarrassed for this country. Can we have a revolution now please?

Maybe neither of them will do anything. Maybe whoever gets in will call a general election and leave it to labour to sort it all out and then swoop in at the next general election and talk about how the country has gone to shit and it’s labour in charge so we should vote tory.

Your post is based on the fundamental misunderstanding that the electorate in this election (i.e. Tory party members, not just the Tory MPs who might actually be worried about getting re-elected) actually give a toss about helping people through the cost of living crisis.

If they did care about this, then of course, the candidates would have set out their plans for how they were going to help. This would have been at the top of their agendas for weeks. However, the cost of living/struggles faced by ordinary members of the public are really not of sufficient concern to the Tory party membership to be important factors in this election. They do not have the same priorities as the general electorate. The members are far more interested in which tax cuts will be introduced to help the rich, which extreme policies can be implemented to punish vulnerable people for seeking refuge in the UK and which candidate can make the most jingoistic statements about our relationships with our former EU allies.

I thought Sunak had been interviewed earlier this month.

You can't have a General Election without a manifesto and I doubt there'll be one anytime soon.

Truss will be elected by the Tory party members : that's how it works. She will be a disaster and since MPs didn't choose her and she wasn't the first choice originally of Party members she'll possibly be ousted soon.

The electorate as a whole are unlikely to get any say in these events.

Well of course they don't care but surely they should pretend.

Why should they pretend? There's no benefit to them in doing so.

But why?

It has been abundantly clear that the Tories don't care about ordinary people for decades, but people still keep voting them in regardless. I don't know why, but there it is.

They probably know they're going to be toast at the next election in any case, so I doubt they really care that much. They will just push through as much of their agenda as they can in the time they've got left, I imagine, and hope that some of it sticks.

I agree.

However they aren't voting for policies or whatever.

They are voting for the person they think will allow them to push through their right wing agendas.

I'm still wondering how we've got to a point that the Tory's have moved very far right and the person they want to be the PM of our country is an ex remainer Lib Dem who makes enemies of people we really don't want as enemies.

Oh and is as thick as pig shit.

Neither of them has a clue. They're basically aiming to nick Labour's plans and praying it won't be too obvious.

Like BJ to get re-elected. Some people think he actually cares about them.
Unbelievably.

It has been abundantly clear that the Tories don't care about ordinary people for decades, but people still keep voting them in regardless. I don't know why, but there it is.

I think the issue here is that they've been so outstandingly crap and disrespectful of the public they work for that people are completely disenfranchised with politics.

They've actually managed to get people to believe that even though they are liars and shite all politicians are. So no one actually thinks voting in another party would be worthwhile.

It's better the devil you know however hellish that devil is.

Even so it just seems absolutely insane to me that she just won't say what she will do.
It's not acceptable but neither is various situations that have happened over the last decade.

I think they probably believe that the general electorate is too stupid to realise that they don't give a toss. I mean, they haven't exactly tried to hide this previously, and it seems to have been working pretty well for them so far.

The evidence was there in abundance that Boris was a workshy serial liar who only ever gave a shit about himself. The public voted for the Tories in their droves. I guess they feel that they can get away with anything now.

They're probably right tbh. I still think they will lose the next election regardless though. People will be ready for a change, and will vote for that without paying much heed to what they're actually voting for.

I will be the dissenter... they can't announce the policies because they don't have a full view of what the books will look like, what the latest forecast is (for prices & everything else).

I feel they are right to wait to make the decisions.

I'd trust Sunak more to come up with a sensible & functional plan. Not only because Truss is an arrogant eejit.

Agree.

But as a party you have to realise it's better for the, if she keeps silent.

I think the government and even most of the public have forgotten they work for US. They are absolutely mocking us but they do,so because they've disenfranchised so many people and right now if (when) we hit the absolute bottom re cosy of living they can hand out money to those who need it and be the heroes.

They don't want to solve the societal issues. They want people to feel they must rely on them whilst lining their mates pockets.

And quite concerningly they've succeeded in many respects.

I think you're right. They have very successfully pushed the narrative that all politicians are like Boris - dishonest and self-interested. Liz Truss clearly fits that narrative too. The extent to which they have managed to normalise this behaviour is astonishing.

People don't generally vote for policies. They vote for personalities and/or because they want "something different" from what they've got.

I dont believe that either of them will do the best for the people. As usual they will do their best for themselves and their mates

It's "just" a party leadership contest, and that's how it's run; no one who's not a party member has any influence. It's only incidental that whoever the party selects to lead also becomes the new PM.

There's only been as much television/media coverage as there has been because of COVID. If Conservative MPs didn't ask these questions when they had the chance to talk to the full set of candidates face to face, and party members aren't asking them when Sunak and Truss tour around the country talking to local branches, then they're not going to get asked or answered. There's no advantage to either of the candidates addressing the entire country now except to hope it will pressure the other to do so and s/he will trip up. That pressure isn't really effective when the membership have other ways to get info and the general public don't have a say.

I agree it's shite that no one apparently can speak up about plans for the winter as is happening in other countries, but it's just bad timing/a problematic process for what happens when a UK PM resigns. If Johnson spoke up, he'd be promising things he won't be there to deliver, and even though he's still PM he can't pass anything through Parliament when it's in recess. If Sunak and Truss spoke up, it would essentially be campaigning, and they're already campaigning just to a much more limited audience.