Should hospitality be furloughed again this winter?

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The energy crisis is going to be catastrophic and there's no cap for businesses. If we do nothing basically the vast majority will be forced to shut and then we've got support people with benefits etc and less tax revenue.

Given people are already going to be hard up, could we just furlough all the pubs and restaurants for the winter while we try to work out a solution to this madness? I'd hate to see all the pubs shut for good otherwise.

😂 and whose going to pay for the furlough?!

No.

No

I feel for them, but the reality is we can't afford to, so no.

Absolutely not. If the government does want to spend tens of millions then it can help with energy bills rather than furlough.

I was all for the furlough scheme the first time around but no they should not this year. It doesn't help the business. Millions and millions of people are fucked with the cost of living crisis. Fuoughing people won't help this.

Um, we haven't finished paying for the last lot of furlough yet

Using what money from where?

Who's going to pay the benefits bill for all the lost jobs?

With what money?

Err no. Big looming energy crisis is what needs financial assistance.

Thats cheaper than furlough!

We're paying 100 billion and rising for HS2.

Wouldn't it be better to use the money you propose to use for furlough to help businesses with their energy bills?

Where will the revenues come from when everything has closed and gone?

No, that would not work, the money has to come from somewhere and if doesn't come from a business making money then it comes from the general public who on average don't have the money to support this either.

What would be more helpful was making it that the energy companies couldn't make such massive profits off energy consumption. Scottish power for example have made £925m profit in the first half of the year alone and they are small change compared to some of the energy companies.

That's where part of the problem lies.

Making staff exist on 80% of their pay, stopping people from being able to eat out, having a knock on impact on the industries surrounding hospitality like food suppliers, cleaning agencies etc, and the making the public pay for it is just adding insult to injury.

Fix the problem where the problem lies.

And stop the government from scaling back greener energy sources. That way we would be future proofing against future supply issues so that we don't end up in the same place again.

"the vast majority will be forced to shut"

I think you're being a bit overdramatic here.

No, it isn't remotely an appropriate mechanism at all and would make a lot of things worse. We need to find a solution for the actual energy crisis, not pay businesses to stay closed and people to not work. It makes no sense.

No. A lot of them need christmas trade to survive

Who's going to pay the benefits bill for all the lost jobs?

Well benefits would be a hell of a lot cheaper than furlough so I’m not really sure what your argument here is.

This. Definitely not a solution. The solution needs to be focused on the actual problem.

Are you mad?

Furlough has financially crippled this country. It should never have been continued past summer of 2020 as it is.

Being paid benefits whilst looking for work is one thing, paying employed people to sit & bake banana bread for months on end is another.

Yes let's give that magic money tree another shake!

What's the national debt now? Eleventy gazillion willion?

I wonder if the cost of businesses going out of business & the impact of that on unemployment is higher or lower than furlough?

No.