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To think that a lot of cost saving suggestions are a false economy and actually aren’t that cost saving at all?

201 replies

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 30/08/2022 10:39

So increasingly there are suggestions as to how to save energy.

Buy an electric throw/electric blanket/microwave/slow cooker/air friar.

And then people will tell you that these cost almost nothing to run.

Except they often cost £££ to buy, and if you settle for cheap you’re settling for a false economy.

Electric blankets/throws are notoriously unreliable and have a tendency to break.

Air friars are small so if you want to cook whole meals in them you need something like a double drawer ninja which costs a fortune.

So while you will be saving money on the energy, you’re actually going to be spending it on the measures to save on the energy.

Obviously if you already have these items then the cost has already gone.

But if you don’t then surely people should be thinking twice about whether to rush out and spend money they potentially don’t have on items which are going to cost them anyway?

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Manekinek0 · 30/08/2022 17:12

You can safety pin thermal linings to curtain and along the same vein if the thermal fabric is too expensive cheap fleece pinned on does make some difference.

But I do agree that some money saving tips are either complete bollocks or they are only useful to those who have the money to make the initial outlay.

Others may be useful to some but not everyone. I love my slow cooker, it's cheap to run, I love the food I can make in it and works around my chaotic schedule. But I can see how someone who has a front loaded day or doesn't like soups and stews wouldn't get the same use out of it.

antelopevalley · 30/08/2022 17:14

With mine from Dunelm you just add them on your curtain track along with your original curtains. They are not sewn together, but when you draw the curtains they both close together.

TheOrigRights · 30/08/2022 17:15

echt · 30/08/2022 15:56

This thread is predicated on the bleeding obvious. Of course not all money-saving measures suit everyone’s situation, and require thinking out.

MNers aren’t thick, they can work it out.

I disagree, the point of the thread is in fact laughing (somewhat hollowly, because it's not funny) at the wisdom of telling people they can save hundreds on heating their house if they 'only' replaced their single glazing, bought [insert gadget]...bla bla bla.

It's on a par with 'you could take in some ironing'.

antelopevalley · 30/08/2022 17:18

It is advice from people thinking theoretically about poverty.

Fizbosshoes · 30/08/2022 17:31

I learnt my lesson on this after spending £3 on 6 cabbage plants, expecting to have a lifetime's supply of cabbages.
Not only do cabbages not work like that, but the bloody caterpillars ate half of them. A cabbage was about 40p in the supermarket at the time!

DH enjoys growing vegetables. We have a greenhouse and space to grow vegetables, he waters them at least once a day. We get an absolute ton of tomatoes all at once (which we freeze in bags of 400g and use instead of tins of tomatoes) and way too many courgettes/marrows which 3 of 4 out of us don't particularly like. This year we've had cucumbers so that might have saved about 40p a week but sometimes the vegetables get eaten or get blight/disease and then can't be eaten. It's more of a hobby than a money saving exercise, and of course depends on having space, and time and ability to water the plants. We had a 2nd floor flat with a garden but not sure there was an outdoor tap and I don't think we would have traipsed up and down stairs with watering cans.

BarbaraofSeville · 30/08/2022 17:38

79andnotout · 30/08/2022 17:04

I've got thermal lined blackout curtains from m&s, they've been great in the heat this summer. I've just bought two more sets for my office and living room. They're £60 for a pair, floor length, on 1.5m width windows in my old terraced house, so should be a cheap enough investment for others who don't have a huge amount of glazing. Nice wooden curtain rails are about £175, but you can get much cheaper.

Or you could just use your existing curtain rails. You don't need new curtain rails just because you're getting thicker curtains for winter.

Our curtain rails (nice modern metal ones) were about £15 each from Ikea.

A lot of MN tips don't stack up financially because they involve 'investing' in the most expensive solution available.

Curtains that cost thousands hung on £175 curtain poles. (I know you said you can get cheaper)

Spend £10k on 'a solar system' (is it just me who imagines getting your own sun with planets whizzing round it when people write this?) or £50k on an electric car.

Extra freezers to store batch cooking - isn't there plenty of room in your normal fridge freezer for a couple of extra tubs of bolognese sauce?

Chillow · 30/08/2022 17:41

Anyone have any tips how to draught proof my windows? I have eye let curtains, but I can feel air coming in through the windows in the winter.

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/08/2022 17:42

A lot of suggestions (like growing your own, batch cooking from scratch or making your own clothes) depend on having the necessary skills.

Some people will find it helps save money but they've probably been doing it all along anyway - although it's never too late to acquire new skills if you have the motivation.

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/08/2022 17:43

Chillow · 30/08/2022 17:41

Anyone have any tips how to draught proof my windows? I have eye let curtains, but I can feel air coming in through the windows in the winter.

Safety pin cheap fleece blankets (about £5 from Boyes or B&M) to the curtains. It won't look perfect but will add insulation.

FourTeaFallOut · 30/08/2022 17:47

Chillow · 30/08/2022 17:41

Anyone have any tips how to draught proof my windows? I have eye let curtains, but I can feel air coming in through the windows in the winter.

I'd go with the self adhesive window insulation tape. It's about £7 a roll from Screwfix.

FourTeaFallOut · 30/08/2022 17:56

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/08/2022 17:43

Safety pin cheap fleece blankets (about £5 from Boyes or B&M) to the curtains. It won't look perfect but will add insulation.

I'd be concerned about the flammability of fleece and potentially cutting off an exit in the even of a fire.

RedToothBrush · 30/08/2022 18:15

Leftbutcameback · 30/08/2022 11:57

Completely agree - on a thread about saving money someone suggested buying a one cup water boiling device.

It's good to think about what you already have, or smart replacements, plus also what makes the most difference. So I have an air fryer and often use the oven just for me. I'll use that instead. And we have a very draughty front door so I bought some long lined curtains (pair) and they have lasted many years. It makes a real difference but even more so if I'm at home all day and can keep it closed.

I do spend money on m&s thermals but I need them for sitting at football so great for wfh too.

I have an oil filled radiator which is electric so will cost more than the GCH, but I will use it for a short boost because it's very easy to work out how much it's costing me. Also I had to buy it to replace one I borrowed which broke! But they are a bit fragile and it turns out the oil leaks after a few years so wouldn't recommend one.

Well this a rather disingenuous post.

The suggestion to replace kettle with a one cup was mine.

The post said that when our kettle gave up the ghost we replaced it with a one cup simply because DH is the only one who used the kettle, so it was cheaper for our lifestyle to replace it with a more suitable device. But the post clearly stated that the old kettle was defunct.

Heating a whole kettle for one cup of tea makes no sense. Yes if you are brewing up for several people at the same time, but not for one person. One works better for one household but not another. And the key isn't to replace before the end of the life of the product unless it's so inefficient that it no longer is worth continuing to use the product (this is rare)

For me, the key is to think about your lifestyle and only replace things if you need them by thinking about not only the purchase price but also the price of running the equipment.

Usually though the problem tends to be that the more efficient equipment tends to be the most expensive to buy, but over the lifetime of the product will cost someone less. This automatically means that richer people have an advantage.

That Does Not mean people shouldn't buy those things, regardless of whether they are rich or poor. But they should be trying to make smarter purchases where they can. The best examples of this are washing machines and fridges/freezers.

In terms of buying an electric heater, I just don't get the logic at all tbh. Just buy a none electric blanket or two. In terms of efficiency and effectiveness, for most people there is simply no need for one. The only people it might be worthwhile for are elderly who have mobility problems which means they have more problems with retaining their heat. For children and younger and middle aged ages they simply don't need one.

One of the key things here, is that people who shop more savvy and more long term and consider the cost of something over their lifetime are generally better off, precisely because they take the time and effort and dont get suck in by yellow stickers and signs saying sale - they don't respond to the marketing they look at the quality of the product and whether it best do what they want and they don't buy things they don't need.

There is someone I know who is obsessed with 'getting a bargin' and does all the money saving stuff and has all the coupons etc. Except the problem is the deal is the most important thing. She doesn't look around for the same product elsewhere, she doesn't stop to consider whether she needs the item. She has a massive shopping problem and a houseful of crap which she ends up either binning or giving away.

Advertisers use often techniques to effectively mislead or misdirect someone to a product which might not be the best, because it works.

People need to get wise to this and to really think about what they do and how they do it.

One of the things people are considering resorting to is to switch all appliances off overnight. Including the fridge. Councils are making a point of stressing not to do this because it could be a health hazard and because it costs more for a fridge to get back to optimum temperature and its bad for the life of the fridge because they are designed to work constantly not be switched on and off.

Even the way you purchase disadvantages people who are harder up too though. I can stick a large purchase on a credit card and not have to pay it for 60 days and then pay it off immediately. So I have 60 days to save up if I don't have the money immediately which is interest free. But if I'm poor and have a poor credit rating, I won't have a credit card and if I need a large purchase in an emergency I might have to buy on finance on or a payment plan which is more expensive. Where this is really dumb is if its a non urgent purchase. And we are seeing people buying clothes more and more on debit which isnt controlled or monitored which is a recipe for disaster.

Everything lends itself to be be easier if you are richer to begin with.

If people start to think more about efficiency and effectiveness regardless of income its a good thing over all and a trend we should all be encouraging. That includes reducing waste and not dumping stuff which is perfectly usable though...

tonicwaters · 30/08/2022 18:31

Well here's my saga. As a rare treat I bought myself the knockoff oodie in Primark. Lovely pink colour, I feel like a furry princess. But why the F do they not have a FN zip instead of going over your head! I suppose it is to keep the heat in or something.

Anyway, I got it on ok and was delighted. But when taking it off I forgot I had my reading glasses on the top of my head. Out sprung the glasses onto the tiled kitchen floor and smashed. F sake, now I have to buy a new pair of glasses.

That didn't save me anything. I'm going to cut down the neck a bit and put a button or something in it. The neck bit is too high and a bit chokey. Or I should just make sure my glasses are NOT on my head.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 30/08/2022 18:32

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/08/2022 17:43

Safety pin cheap fleece blankets (about £5 from Boyes or B&M) to the curtains. It won't look perfect but will add insulation.

For a bit more but still under £20 you could get proper eyelet thermal blackout liners for the curtains. Safer, less trouble to fix, won't damage your curtains. Also looks fine and will keep the room cool in summer too.

TokenGinger · 30/08/2022 18:56

QforCucumber · 30/08/2022 11:21

@GhostFromTheOtherSide
but people who say they never use their oven and only ever use an air friar clearly only ever eat junk food.
We've had our Philips Air Fryer for 8 years, it is used most days - yesterday was chicken Fajhitas, tonight I am making salmon fillets with new potatoes and cauli cheese. It cooks a steak to perfection. Cheese on toast for lunch in minutes.

it really isn't only junk food.

Ohhh, please could I ask for your recipe/method for the chicken fajitas and the cauli cheese in the air fryer?

Chicken fajitas are a strong favourite in our house!

TokenGinger · 30/08/2022 19:11

QforCucumber · 30/08/2022 12:17

@Decafflatteplease exact same way I would in a pan, chopped chicken breast, onion mushrooms and peppers - make the Cajun spices and mix with a spoon of olive oil, cost the chicken. Then I do the chicken for 5 mins at 180 to seal then add the chopped vegetables, shake. Reduce to 160 degrees and leave for 15 mins shake once or twice, while I do the sauces (salsa and guacamole) and grated cheese.

fold the wraps into quarters and wrap in foil and put in for 2 mins at the end to warm them through, serve from the foil on the table with the filling all in a bowl. Serves the 4 of us fine (granted we are 2 adults and 2 littles)

I can see someone else has asked already! Thank you x

Chillow · 30/08/2022 20:00

@CaptainMyCaptain @FourTeaFallOut @JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon thank you all

QforCucumber · 30/08/2022 20:30

@TokenGinger glad I could help, the cauli cheese I actually make on the hob while the salmon and potatoes cook then into a dish in the airfryer to ‘bake’ and brown the top while I dish up the rest 😁

79andnotout · 30/08/2022 21:41

BarbaraofSeville · 30/08/2022 17:38

Or you could just use your existing curtain rails. You don't need new curtain rails just because you're getting thicker curtains for winter.

Our curtain rails (nice modern metal ones) were about £15 each from Ikea.

A lot of MN tips don't stack up financially because they involve 'investing' in the most expensive solution available.

Curtains that cost thousands hung on £175 curtain poles. (I know you said you can get cheaper)

Spend £10k on 'a solar system' (is it just me who imagines getting your own sun with planets whizzing round it when people write this?) or £50k on an electric car.

Extra freezers to store batch cooking - isn't there plenty of room in your normal fridge freezer for a couple of extra tubs of bolognese sauce?

I haven't got any curtain rails! I presume not everyone has? The person I bought my house from took them with him as I didn't want to buy them off him with the curtains.

79andnotout · 30/08/2022 21:44

For an extortionate price, I might add. He wanted 75% of retail value!

QforCucumber · 30/08/2022 21:58

@79andnotout - neither did we when we moved in, but we didn’t pay £175 a pole, it was about £30 from next or Dunelm, bought 1 a month on payday for 6 months until the house had enough of them.
@BarbaraofSeville point is that Our whole house was poled for the price of 1 of a PP.
i dropped some things in to the local charity shop the other day, they had a beautiful pair of heavy ivory M&S 90x90 curtains for £8! I’d have had them if we had anywhere to put them.

antelopevalley · 30/08/2022 22:00

The only vegetable I have found worth growing financially is lettuce. Cheap and easy to grow.

SlowingDownAndDown · 30/08/2022 22:08

79andnotout · 30/08/2022 21:41

I haven't got any curtain rails! I presume not everyone has? The person I bought my house from took them with him as I didn't want to buy them off him with the curtains.

I’m lost. Loose linings can be used with tracks or poles. Is that why I’m lost?

79andnotout · 30/08/2022 22:10

@QforCucumber yeah fair enough. I realise you can get cheaper. I buy to suit my taste as I'm not skint, I was just explaining how the m&s thermal curtains weren't that expensive as I'd heard upthread many comments about thermal curtains costing thousands, so I was trying to be helpful in pointing out not all are.