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It would have been nice to hear about how Liz plans to run the country, when in charge.

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Jay3344 · 30/08/2022 02:19

Liz Truss pulls out of Tory leadership interview with BBC veteran Nick Robinson

It would have been nice to hear about how Liz plans to run the country.

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Synny · 30/08/2022 12:38

What is is about her v Rishi that the members with the power to vote prefer?

Blossomtoes · 30/08/2022 12:57

This will be the 3rd new prime minister in 6 years anyway, so there’s not much point in getting to know her. She’ll likely be gone in 12-18 months

Just over three years actually. May was PM until July 2019. She’s toast at the next election if she makes it that far.

Novum · 30/08/2022 14:18

Synny · 30/08/2022 12:38

What is is about her v Rishi that the members with the power to vote prefer?

She promises even more batshit fascist policies than he does.

Dotjones · 30/08/2022 14:21

Don't see any point in her speaking to the BBC. Most people will criticise her regardless of what she says - she could copy Labour lock stock and barrel and they'd find a way to rip the plans apart.

I don't imagine there are that many Tory members who've genuinely not made their mind up yet. For the rest of us, it doesn't matter what she would have said, promises made in a party leadership campaign are even less trustworthy than party manifestos come the general election.

Cornettoninja · 30/08/2022 15:24

Don't see any point in her speaking to the BBC. Most people will criticise her regardless of what she says - she could copy Labour lock stock and barrel and they'd find a way to rip the plans apart

of course they will, that’s all part and parcel of living in a democracy, your actions are questioned…. Unless you’re openly arguing for a more dictatorial political system

itsgettingweird · 30/08/2022 17:14

meditrina · 30/08/2022 07:23

It's just a few hundred thousand mad mostly elderly far right nut jobs

And then we wonder why society is divided.

The Tory party isn't "far right" (and it shows woeful lack of understanding to make that comparison) and the rest of that is just puerile insult.

You're right.

The party isn't.

But the ERG ministers and MPs are and they are pushing for far right policies.

This will be why it ends up like Mrs May again. Truss won't get anything through because once PM she can be thwarted by minters via voting unless she uses one of her 3 line whip lives.

What is very important to remember is Truss was once a remainer and a Lib Dem.
I have to question if and how she's moved from that to a far right leaver and if she's a puppet on a string or truly has had a complete change of mind.

But her rhetoric puts us at risk because she says a lot about France Scotland China and Russia that's very inflammatory.

IncompleteSenten · 30/08/2022 17:16

The fact she doesn't want to be interviewed tells you a lot.

It's going to be a complete shitshow no matter who the pm is.

Tbh I'd rather they just come out and say so.

Anniegetyourgun · 30/08/2022 17:52

Call me a depressive cynic if you must, but I don't have any faith that the ghastly Truss will lead to a Labour victory. It's far more likely to lead to "come back Boris, all is forgiven". Heard it talked about on the radio this morning and someone's even hinting at it on this thread. I'm fairly convinced he's been pulling as many strings as he still has hold of on her behalf, because she is his best hope for a comeback.

Whatever one may say about Sunak - and I certainly would, if you've got a spare hour to listen - at least he knows how to count. I think it unlikely that he would manage to mess up the place quite so thoroughly as she almost inevitably will in the short time before the next election, but he could still be unpopular enough to be voted out. Is it a conspiracy theory too far to suggest that he was getting far too popular after the furlough scheme etc, and then suddenly things were "discovered" about his wife's taxes, his inability to pay for petrol and all that guff, and he very quickly fell from favour? Most of the criticisms were justified, to be fair, but they wouldn't have had such traction if there weren't a vested interest in stopping his star getting anywhere near eclipsing Boris's. Maybe. In the immortal words of the great philosopher, "anyway, it's just a thought".

Blossomtoes · 30/08/2022 18:12

It's far more likely to lead to "come back Boris, all is forgiven".

Highly unlikely. Did you see his popularity ratings just before his “resignation”?

StoneofDestiny · 30/08/2022 18:13

If any politician wants to let anyone know what she stands for, the sensible way to do it is with a carefully crafted publication, or speech. Only a desperate candidate who sees no other way to get to their goal would agree to an interview

Sure, if she wants to be elected she needs to avoid talking, because each time she opens her mouth it shows how unintelligent, dense, undiplomatic and I'll informed she is.
However, a speech is very different from an interview. Critically she is afraid of putting what she says in a speech under scrutiny. That is scary for this country.

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2022 18:25

"Critically she is afraid of putting what she says in a speech under scrutiny. "

Absolutely. I'm sure someone will argue why should she bother.

Why bother?

Well, if you want to lead a country I'd expect you to robust enough to cope with a 1 hour BBC interview. I'd expect you to be able to defend your record and present a coherent vision for the future that goes beyond a few sound bites and slogans.

I don't mind disagreeing with politicians. I don't mind hearing alternative view points. I can accept changes in views/circumstances. But really if you want to have the most important job in the country at a critical time you've got to be able to take a few questions and handle a bit of criticism.

Next week she'll suggest that we should believe in her and her Cabinet, that only they can unify the nation. Why should we bother?

Exasperatednow · 30/08/2022 20:06

So she gets elected and then she has to do PMQs, that will be an interesting pantomime given she's avoided scrutiny in the leadership debacle.

Crikeyalmighty · 30/08/2022 20:19

@FatOaf Absolutely. If she's running scared of Nick Robinson who is an old school Tory then she's simply following in Johnson's shoes and will only speak to sycophants

daisychain01 · 30/08/2022 20:32

The only clue to the "rescue package" was the proposal to drop VAT from 20% to 15%.

Cue the (fantasy) Daily Fail Headline:

Save £4,000 on a new Porsche, £000 on a tin of baked beans.

Go figure.

Anniegetyourgun · 30/08/2022 21:12

Blossomtoes · 30/08/2022 18:12

It's far more likely to lead to "come back Boris, all is forgiven".

Highly unlikely. Did you see his popularity ratings just before his “resignation”?

I really, really hope you're right, but the public's memory is woefully short and easily distracted.

Anothernamechangeplease · 31/08/2022 00:27

Exasperatednow · 30/08/2022 20:06

So she gets elected and then she has to do PMQs, that will be an interesting pantomime given she's avoided scrutiny in the leadership debacle.

I think the end goal for LT is to become Prime Minister, rather than to actually achieve or deliver anything in government, so she will probably just try to ride out any awkward moments once that primary goal has been attained. From that point on, it's really just about surviving in the role for as long as she can. She won't care about much else.

In that sense, she is very much a PM in the image of Boris Johnson. Indeed, it might turn out that his only real legacy, apart from Brexit, is to destroy whatever integrity and purpose was still left in politics.

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