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To get annoyed when people parrot that it's always cheaper to cook from scratch?

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Katypp · 28/08/2022 11:24

Caveats: Home made food is usually:
A. Nicer
B. More nutritious
C: Made with proper ingredients that you can control
D: More filling
E: Not made with fillers, starch etc

But it's not always cheaper!

Time after time, when people post about food costs, the trope is always make it yourself, you'll save money. This post is in frustration after yet again, someone tripped it out on a budgeting forum. Someone commented that Tesco budget hummous is quite nice, to be told, as always, you can make it cheaper yourself.
You can't. Eastman's hummous 69p

Tesco chickpeas 60p + lemon 30p = 90p and that's before you add olive oil and tahini.

Yes I know you can soak your own chickpeas and buy in bulk at an Asian grocer etc, but that level of organisation for most people is beyond the effort of just picking up a tub on the weekly shop.

For the record, I am a very keen home cook and have also run a food business and written about food in the past. I enjoy cooking, but I am sick of people trotting out this line without thinking about it, especially on budgeting and money-saving forums.

OP posts:
Celyn22 · 28/08/2022 13:18

It all boils down to what matters... time vs interest vs financial resource vs storage vs health etc.

I have fed 3 adults for £25 per week before, and I did put in initial time working out what I could make for that, but then I was on auto pilot for months. I was shopping primarily at Aldi and Lidl as they were within walking distance, and then I cycle to an Asian bulk store once a month to buy dried rice and lentils. It was not fun cycling uphill on the way back!

My mum grew up with a roast on Sundays, then the meat was continually evolving throughout the week with different dishes and veg served with it, ending with a stew on a Friday. Saturday was more 'eggs on toast' style dinner, then back to roast. I have no idea of the cost but I reckon that was quite resourceful.

Growing up, we only had an icebox in the fridge to preserve food so we ate lots of cheap things like cous cous (either a packet or natural and I'd add mixed herbs and salt) with veg (cheap supermarket veg chopped small and steamed). We also ate a lot of pasta with homemade tinned tomato sauce. I was hungry a lot, partly because I was growing but also because we ate a lot of carbs and not a lot of fat and protein which is less filling for me. So I think I ate more during this time which would financially add up to more.

Nowadays every month or two I do a big batch of hummus and freeze it, it's a staple in our home! When we find reduced greens in the supermarket I prepare a big batch of pesto, and freeze it to eat throughout the month. I dehydrate veg and fruit to eat throughout the year too, buying when I see them cheap. I worked out recently it costs £1.50 to dry 10 trays for 24 hours. We have the space for a dehydrator.

If we don't feel like cooking or don't have much time then we have a 'snacky' dinner with stuff from the freezer and pull out a few jars of gherkins, olives, crackers, hummus and pesto. It means we knock up a healthy cheap 'meal' in a minute, with the only washing up in that moment: plates and cutlery.

I enjoy cooking and the creativity I can put in, as well as enjoying playing with numbers and costs, so I do make meals based on nutritional needs, but I also earn very little money so it's all very cheap to make, and I do save to buy the better quality ingredients in bulk that I like to have. E.g olive oil £26 for 5l, 5kg tahini (can't remember the price)... it's a lot more to spend in one go, but it balances all the factors out for me. (Money,health,time,interest)

I am now pregnant and have had a few cravings for things like tortellinis... I bought a few meals with ready made things and I couldn't believe how much more money I spent when getting these things! I definitely couldn't afford to buy ready made things regularly.

Thehonestbadger · 28/08/2022 13:22

It’s a much bigger picture than most give credit to which always annoys the hell out of me.

  • Budget. ‘I’d like to cut down a bit’ vs ‘I have £10 to feed my family for the week’
  • Quality/nutrition. Will kids actually eat ‘healthy food’? Fussy toddlers refusing stuff isn’t an option when you’re on the breadline. Dietary requirements…etc
  • Facilities. Do you have a oven/hob, a freezer? Room to store things? Maybe you’re sharing cooking facilities? Limited to a microwave.
  • Practicalities if you’re working 40 hours a week, can’t make ends meet, struggling, kids with additional needs… probably aren’t going to be living your best life and full of motivation.

Looking down on people struggling financially because they don’t ‘cook everything from scratch’ is small minded and presumptive. It unfortunately shines a light on a lot of unchecked privilege.

If you have a well equipped kitchen, ample freezer storage, time/energy and non fussy/restrictive dinners who want to eat well then yes you absolutely can do it on a low budget.
If you have poor facilities, low time/energy, fussy or restrictive eaters and no real motivation to eat healthily then it’s all around easier to eat low cost processed meals like frozen pizzas and beans.

Either way, extending judgment without empathy is shitty.

notacooldad · 28/08/2022 13:30

But again, your examples assume people have time to shop around (supermarket, greengrocer) and have the money to spare to build up a store cupboard
Why does it take longer to pick up a jar of say, tahini, in Asda than it does a pot of jam in the same shop?
My point was about meal planning and using the same ingredients multiple times saves money. If you are shopping surely it makes sense to buy the things that you are going to get the most value out to save money. A cheap ready meal will only be ate once but the ingredient such as olive oil will be used over and over again. As I said with the chickpea example, use the chickpeas for one receipe and use the water for another by thinking ahead and being resourceful.
Most people do seem to already have stuff in, even families where we do food drop offs and food bank runs for have some basics such as flour, marg, sugar salt.
I think the main problem is that for many years people have been getting by and buying what we like,the art of cooking cheap meals from next to nothing and not having any waste has been forgotten.

feistyoneyouare · 28/08/2022 13:31

Thehonestbadger · 28/08/2022 13:22

It’s a much bigger picture than most give credit to which always annoys the hell out of me.

  • Budget. ‘I’d like to cut down a bit’ vs ‘I have £10 to feed my family for the week’
  • Quality/nutrition. Will kids actually eat ‘healthy food’? Fussy toddlers refusing stuff isn’t an option when you’re on the breadline. Dietary requirements…etc
  • Facilities. Do you have a oven/hob, a freezer? Room to store things? Maybe you’re sharing cooking facilities? Limited to a microwave.
  • Practicalities if you’re working 40 hours a week, can’t make ends meet, struggling, kids with additional needs… probably aren’t going to be living your best life and full of motivation.

Looking down on people struggling financially because they don’t ‘cook everything from scratch’ is small minded and presumptive. It unfortunately shines a light on a lot of unchecked privilege.

If you have a well equipped kitchen, ample freezer storage, time/energy and non fussy/restrictive dinners who want to eat well then yes you absolutely can do it on a low budget.
If you have poor facilities, low time/energy, fussy or restrictive eaters and no real motivation to eat healthily then it’s all around easier to eat low cost processed meals like frozen pizzas and beans.

Either way, extending judgment without empathy is shitty.

Well said. I've thought the same so many times when I've read judgey threads about cooking from scratch.

dworky · 28/08/2022 13:42

If it was true, it certainly won't be now!

Hankunamatata · 28/08/2022 13:44

It's cheaper for me as cook for 6 and freeze left overs. If just cooking for me I'd say ready meals be cheaper

Tabbouleh · 28/08/2022 13:45

Playing devil's advocate, people in v poor countries- India, China, Thailand, Vietnam- cook from scratch without freezers or even kitchens. On the side of the road over a fire. But I guess the way of life is completely different.

Terfydactyl · 28/08/2022 13:50

MerryChristmasToYou · 28/08/2022 12:49

Chickpeas in World Foods section 3 for £1.
Lemons from greengrocer 6 for £1
Tahini from 99p shop 99p
Garlic 69p for 4
Olive oil - I don't bother with it, use a bit of the chickpea water if dry.

2 tins of chickpeas, juice from 2 lemons, 2 cloves of garlic or to taste.
4 tbsp of tahini.
Blitz with blender. Put half in freezer.

I'm not poor in either money or time, but I dont own a blender.
Assuming everyone owns a blender, has a freezer, is able to carry home 3 tins of anything along with all their other shopping is entirely predictable but useless for the really really less well off.

FWIW when I was a very very skint single parent I lived on 6p noodles, add hot water, stir and eat. My children got one tray meals like fishfinger and chips cos putting the oven and hob on was beyond our monetary means.

Christ I dont even like hummus, it just irks me when so many posters try to say how much better cooking from scratch is.
It could taste like the best thing ever ever ever made, it makes no odds when you cant afford to actually cook it.

MerryChristmasToYou · 28/08/2022 13:51

Katypp · 28/08/2022 12:55

@MerryChristmasToYou @notacooldad But again, your examples assume people have time to shop around (supermarket, greengrocer) and have the money to spare to build up a store cupboard. Tahini and olive oil are expensive buys from a small shopping budget even if they are used up for something else

Greengrocer and 99p are in the high street. I can pick up the lemons and garlic from the greengrocer and then get the chickpeas and tahini from the 99p shop. i can walk from my house.
While I'm in the 99p shop I can also pick up falafel mix.
If I want salad, I could get it in Iceland.

This would probably be quicker than nipping to the supermarket.

Celyn22 · 28/08/2022 13:55

Re young fussy eaters: my dad's policy was "you won't starve yourself" so even though he wasn't the best cook (he did his best), we could eat what was served or go hungry. And I never went hungry and food wasn't wasted. Leftovers went into packed lunch or dinner next day.

queenofarles · 28/08/2022 13:57

said with the chickpea example, use the chickpeas for one receipe and use the water for another by thinking ahead and being resourceful. like what?
I can’t think of any use for the boiled chickpea water.

AllPlayedOut · 28/08/2022 13:58

Tahini from 99p shop 99p

I'm envious of your 99p tahini. I've never seen it for that price here. It's usually around £3. Sometimes more.

AllPlayedOut · 28/08/2022 13:59

Re young fussy eaters: my dad's policy was "you won't starve yourself" so even though he wasn't the best cook (he did his best), we could eat what was served or go hungry. And I never went hungry and food wasn't wasted. Leftovers went into packed lunch or dinner next day.

Well, some kids will go hungry and some will starve themselves.

Skethylita · 28/08/2022 14:00

I think that there are people on here justifying buying readymeals unnecessarily.

Even as a student with £11 per week to spend on transport, hygiene articles and food altogether I cooked from scratch every day, because it was cheaper. And Halls facilities were not great - we used to have maybe one or two working hob rings, yes, an oven (which was gross, so rarely used) and fridge and freezer space was limited to one drawer each, as well as only one small hanging cupboard for all of our crockery and ingredients - so very limited storage. Plus, as we were starting out, we had very little equipment.

Everyone can build up a stock of herbs and spices over time. You don't buy five at once, but one every two weeks or so will easily amass a good amount of basic herbs and spices within half a year, even with replacement buying.

People here are saying that they would have to live on the same food for a week - well, no, with a fridge you can already stretch that to every other day and most things are freezable, so last for a good few months. Pizza is a great example. Pizza dough might, on paper, take a long time, but in practice you spend 3.5h out of 4 basically ignoring the dough as it proves. You wrap the portioned and rolled dough (we used to use bottles for that instead of rolling pins) into clingfilm - store it for a time you want a quick fix pizza. You use passata, salt, pepper and perhaps even some herbes de provence, simple cheddar cheese and there you have a decent, basic pizza.

We chucked everything leftover on it - from a tiny portion of chilli we had left from a dinner that week, some egg, some defrosted spinach and perhaps an egg, or more traditional bits like offcuts from bell peppers, the last two salami slices, the last rasher of bacon.

And if we look at traditional British food, so much of it was designed for cheap, wholesome food made with tiny bits of leftovers.

It is absolutely possible to make almost anything from scratch cheaper than buying ready-made, too. The lasgana example on the first page assumed 1kg of meat - you'd need a LOT of ready meals to get that much meat together; most barely have any in them. Most ready meals either have lots of water in them or lots of starch to give the impression of being more than they are.

It's also why they will leave you hungry again soon after, while a decent portion of something homemade will likely allow you to comfortably only have one or two meals a day without being hungry or nutritionally underfed.

The only argument there is here is that people don't have the skills, but that can and should be countered with access to the internet and therefore a world of free recipes, step-by step instructions, video guidance and even websites which will find a recipe for whatever random items you have left in your cupboard.

Sorry, it just doesn't wash with me, and I have been poor for many years.

Skethylita · 28/08/2022 14:01

queenofarles · 28/08/2022 13:57

said with the chickpea example, use the chickpeas for one receipe and use the water for another by thinking ahead and being resourceful. like what?
I can’t think of any use for the boiled chickpea water.

It makes a great vegan egg white substitute, so can be used in baking, for example.

WeepingSomnambulist · 28/08/2022 14:01

chillipenguin · 28/08/2022 11:26

But that usually makes tonnes of houmous. More than you'd usually get in a tub and it won't go off as quick. But yes I get your point.

That's not true for hummus. One tin of chickpeas does not make more than buying a tub for less money.

Things like bolognese sauce are like cheaper. One jar for £1 or buy ingredients and make a pot of it; about 5 jars worth for £3. But if you dont have that £3 upfront because you're on a tight weekly budget and cant bulk buy then you're going to get the £1 jar and spend more overall.

AldiLidlDeeDee · 28/08/2022 14:02

FudgeSundae · 28/08/2022 12:01

I don’t think that’s what I thought people meant when they say “it’s cheaper to cook from scratch”. I think what I mean is that if I personally had a really small food budget (like I have at various times) I will eat very cheap homemade meals from e.g. a huge sack of 50p potatoes, half an onion and half a tin of 30p chopped tomatoes, total cost like 30p per meal. I don’t mean that the equivalent to a shop bought thing is always cheaper homemade. I agree if you want choice or a specific thing then some things shops do better.

50p for a sack of spuds? Whereabouts do you live where they cost so little or did you just pluck that figure from the air?

Here it’s about €1 per kg of potatoes. Potatoes are not that cheap to buy these days. I’ve just checked and a large sack of spuds is €7.99 for 7.5kg Rooster potatoes from Supervalu. Even a bag of frozen skinny oven fries are now 80c in Aldi.

I agree with the OP.

People on a very low income can’t afford to buy fresh veg nor afford the electric needed to cook it. My son says where he lives in London, the local food banks won’t accept donations of fresh veg because their clients can’t afford to cook it.

The other assumption is that we all live near to a supermarket and can make use of their reduced price offers. My nearest supermarket is 7 miles away so I have to drive there. I stock up when I shop but I’ve got a large kitchen, two freezers and a large garage. People who live in small flats for instance, don’t have the space to stock pile food when it’s on offer.

Buying full price fresh food is very expensive.

WeepingSomnambulist · 28/08/2022 14:02

queenofarles · 28/08/2022 13:57

said with the chickpea example, use the chickpeas for one receipe and use the water for another by thinking ahead and being resourceful. like what?
I can’t think of any use for the boiled chickpea water.

Vegan meringues.

queenofarles · 28/08/2022 14:08

Playing devil's advocate, people in v poor countries- India, China, Thailand, Vietnam- cook from scratch without freezers or even kitchens. On the side of the road over a fire. But I guess the way of life is completely different.
yes and no, so many rely on street vendors,
plus spices to make even bland things like pulses taste delicious are usually much cheaper and can be brought in tiny quantities.

I think here spices are not prioritised, although they can last for years.

Fatballs · 28/08/2022 14:08

That's not true for hummus. One tin of chickpeas does not make more than buying a tub for less money.

The tub isn’t less money if you have to drive over twenty miles to buy it. If I run out of hummus between shops, I just whiz up a tin of chick peas.

Tabbouleh · 28/08/2022 14:11

queenofarles · 28/08/2022 14:08

Playing devil's advocate, people in v poor countries- India, China, Thailand, Vietnam- cook from scratch without freezers or even kitchens. On the side of the road over a fire. But I guess the way of life is completely different.
yes and no, so many rely on street vendors,
plus spices to make even bland things like pulses taste delicious are usually much cheaper and can be brought in tiny quantities.

I think here spices are not prioritised, although they can last for years.

I agree with your last sentence. Spices are not prioritised! You can buy them in v tiny quantities in Indian supermarkets.

Thehonestbadger · 28/08/2022 14:15

@Celyn22

Re young fussy eaters: my dad's policy was "you won't starve yourself" so even though he wasn't the best cook (he did his best), we could eat what was served or go hungry. And I never went hungry and food wasn't wasted. Leftovers went into packed lunch or dinner next day.

My opinion was always the same. Before I had children I was going to be no nonsense, you didn’t eat what you were given? Tough you’d just have to starve. Logic dictates a child will surely just eat eventually if they’re hungry enough….right?

Then I had an autistic toddler, and found out that some kids will absolutely starve themselves because they simply don’t have the neurological capacity to eat things they don’t recognise or can’t process properly. If you let them starve themselves, that’s negligent parenting and you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, rightly so. So suddenly you do have to pander to your child’s requirements and understand it’s a medical issue not just ‘they’re fussy’. You don’t have a choice in the matter and no one comes along to top up your budget accordingly. Sure you can fight it out with DLA but it’s gonna be a hell of a fight. I personally haven’t done this because we can afford to cater to DS and our HV told me how harsh the council have gotten denying thousands of ASD kids DLA because of budgets.

IcedOatLatte · 28/08/2022 14:15

FudgeSundae · 28/08/2022 12:25

groceries.asda.com/product/baking-jacket-potatoes/asda-british-fluffy-golden-large-baking-potatoes/24932 Is what I was thinking of. I used baked potatoes for most things - often cheaper and no peeling!

Thanks for the link @FudgeSundae

You and I clearly have different understandings of the words “huge” and “sack”

That's 4 overpriced spuds 😜😮

notacooldad · 28/08/2022 14:16

queenofarles thetecyou go!!
www.veganfoodandliving.com/vegan-recipes/the-25-best-vegan-aquafaba-recipes-you-never-knew-could-be-vegan/

I've made most of these and they are fab!

To be honest I thing we are getting hung up on hummus and chickpeas.
I think somecfoodsa are relatively cheap to make up and cheaper than buying premade and clearly some arent. You've just got to use common sense and make an informed decision on what you are eating and why.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 28/08/2022 14:16

Batch cooking is unhelpful if you don't have freezer space for it.

Again - so many more factors than the cost of the food