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I've made a complaint about my Work Coach

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BobISMyUncle · 26/08/2022 23:09

and now I've been sanctioned. I couldn't attend an appointment due to lack of petrol and a lack of funds to get there. I receive my Universal Credit on the 10th of each month, and my appointment was made (by them) for the 8th. I receive the princely sum of £324 per month. I wrote on my Journal that I could not make this appointment due to lack of money to buy petrol. I received a reply (it was heavy sighing, even in the Journal entry, if that makes sense!) and stated that she would "ring me on this occasion". This appointment is a 23 mile round trip and costs about £5.00
During my phone call, I was told that "you need to manage your money better". Sadly, I'm one of those people who think of brilliant retorts about ten minutes after I need them! Nonetheless, I was still quite surprised at her remark but didn't get the chance to answer as she was determined to move the conversation on. These meetings are mandatory. They must be attended otherwise sanctions will be applied.
Hey Presto! I'm sanctioned. I don't know by how much because the website is down (conveniently?) I can't appeal against the decision because the website is down. I can't do anything. If I call, it's a call centre and nothing is achieved, they appear to be message takers. I would like to talk with someone who has a little empathy. AND! YE GODS! I've missed another appointment! More sanctions coming my way! This, from a Civil Servant. I wonder, how much do I have to live on next month? My work coach suggested that I do care work. I wonder if it's because she will be needing it from her other clients? I am not rubbing my hands in glee because I'm far too busy making room for her in the patio and well tended gardens of my sheltered housing accommodation. LOL! This is funny, but serious. Advice please x

Not Impressed of East Anglia.

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Allthegoodnamesaregoneffs · 31/08/2022 17:14

There are things a FI would investigate, and things that are left to a WC/CM/DM.

Imagine how many FI's would be needed if any slight against someones commitments would trigger an investigation, there are simply not the resources to do that, so anything simple such as failing to take up work would be left to a DM to resolve.

You dont need the powers of the state to find out if someone turned down a job ffs

Soontobe60 · 31/08/2022 17:22

BobISMyUncle · 31/08/2022 12:09

Oh My Gosh! Look at yourselves! Listen to yourselves! I have worked for over 46 years and just needed a little help. And here you all are. Nothing better to do? Bingo?

If you’ve worked for over 46 years, been claiming benefits for 3 years and presumably started your working life at 16, why are yo not receiving your State pension now? That would make you 65.

Caliii · 08/07/2023 19:57

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NorthMan86 · 01/11/2023 10:37

No they don't refund any money for travel to JC. It's ridiculous.

NorthMan86 · 01/11/2023 10:49

Your wrong about the DWP. There are a few who make claimants lives extra difficult. I always ask to rearrange my appointment if I get a job come up with agency work. If you know. You'll know agency phone with hardly time to arrange anything. Therefore I try to rearrange. Now I see a work coach sometimes and she never does this. She always waits to have a " you have missed your appointment" status. Then asks why I didn't turn up. I tell the reasons always. And then asks for proof of attendance. Proof of the outcome.. threatens that meeting are mandatory.
It's all up to the coaches viewing any messages which they have a log in where new messages are displayed regularly. They don't help and make things harder and fills.me with anxiety every time.
Stop being a douch and see it from both sides

lurchermummy · 01/11/2023 12:05

@daretodenim hear hear

lurchermummy · 01/11/2023 12:09

@Coasterfan totally!!! Same with childcare, any kind of care really!

JenniferBooth · 01/11/2023 13:08

Hypothetical scenario. If someone has been forced by threat of sanction into care work and HAS to go into work tommorrow as they are a key worker and is killed in the storm isnt the state responsible for their death.

TwinkleDinkleStarDar · 01/11/2023 13:53

BobISMyUncle

I know this wasnt your question and I have no advice about the sanctions but have you heard of APA payments?

That's what I have, I get paid weekly now instead of once a month and it's a lot easier to manage my budget now

Allergictoironing · 01/11/2023 15:20

Like almost anywhere, you get good and bad people at Job Centres. Like the time I was sanctioned for failing to apply for a job as a planner - I was a project planner, the job was electrical planning, or the commute they insisted was only 90 minutes (88 to be precise) but had failed to allow for the 10 minute walk at either end or the gap in timetables between changing from bus to train (or any contingency on a complex journey).

My "favorite" was the one who insisted I could only be reimbursed mileage rather than train because it was less money - to the Millennium Dome (as it was called then) and of course parking fees weren't reimbursable. She suggested that I should have applied for a travel warrant in advance, but refused to accept that I had been asked at 4:50 pm to attend an interview at 9 am the following morning so wouldn't have been able to get a travel warrant at that time. That decision WAS overturned when I complained.

On the other hand some at the same job centre were fabulous, very friendly and helpful. Some were a bit naive like the WC who genuinely believed that there was no bias by employers on looks so a plain overweight woman had just a good change at interview as a slim pretty one - while it's been proven by a number of studies that there's very much an unconscious bias on appearance when it comes to women.

But those saying how easy it is for anyone to get a job, they really don't understand. Firstly with e.g. caring jobs, I physically can't cope with vomit or faeces, I will just throw up at the smell. And though I am fine to do an office job, arthritis in my spine means little carrying or shifting heavy items (so no caring, warehouse, retail, delivery jobs etc). Secondly many places will rather go without staff than take on someone who doesn't "fit" with their culture or isn't exactly what they are looking for e.g. anyone over the age of around 40 (or younger in some cases) doesn't fit their thoughts on who the job suits, they just want really young people and/or "trendy" people.

Extremely hard to get a job a step or more down from what you used to do as well, I have been told at interviews or in feedback afterwards that they wouldn't be employing me as I was overqualified and would get bored and move on quickly (in their opinion).

And finally comments on not spending that fiver a week on other things, maybe those posters would like to suggest whether it's food, hot water, council tax (yes job seekers still have to pay a chunk) or their internet they do without to save that money from the massive benefits they get? Especially a home owner with a mortgage, who gets no help at all with accommodation & still has a mortgage to pay every month.

CheezePleeze · 01/11/2023 15:22

What's with all the zombie thread bumping today?

AlwaysAuntie · 01/11/2023 17:22

CheezePleeze · 01/11/2023 15:22

What's with all the zombie thread bumping today?

Halloween season, they've emerged from their graves.

Zebedee55 · 01/11/2023 17:37

Eloise38 · 27/08/2022 14:01

What a ridiculous statement. The vast majority of staff are decent people working for a shite wage (sometimes less than benefit awards!) and helping those they can. It isn't their fault that the Government impose sanction rules. And you do realise that if staff didn't work for the DWP you and everybody else would get fuck all in benefits? Society would very quickly collapse.

Yes. I used to work for them. It's not the staff that set the rules - it's the government of the day.

So, staff or claimant - you have to abide by the rules.

If you have an appointment, then if you don't attend, you may get sanctioned.

Zebedee55 · 01/11/2023 17:41

Soontobe60 · 31/08/2022 17:22

If you’ve worked for over 46 years, been claiming benefits for 3 years and presumably started your working life at 16, why are yo not receiving your State pension now? That would make you 65.

Pensions do start a couple of years later now, but I'm finding this thread very odd..anyone sheltered accommodation can get help with the benefit agencies.😗

NorthMan86 · 02/11/2023 13:49

This is a huge problem with the job centre. They are unable to grasp that people call to ask if we can work. Not everyone sends out letters. It's longer for one thing. And last minute positions eg. For agency. They call on Sundays. Someone turns in sick they need a replacement.

TJfromBrum · 03/09/2024 21:25

Reimbursement of travel is for going to job interviews & they give you a day-travel card, but they don't volunteer this & you have to ask - & if you do get this free travel, then they'll definitely ring the interviewer to see if you turned up.
Travel reimbursement isn't for routine JobCentrePlus interviews, no matter how far away, unfortunately.
You may be able to ask them to move your payment day 2 days forward or you interview date 2 days backward, but that depends on who reads your request.
Sorry not to be more help.
(Unfortunately some people in any office, including JCP, have taken that particular job to bully other people [due to their own lives being not ideal in whatever way] - bullies abound in any office & any walk of life, unfortunately - & thus it's a great pity that your complaint resulted in a sanction to you not to the bully - but the more people who complain, the more likely it is that the bully will eventually be noticed by their mgr as being a bully.)

TJfromBrum · 03/09/2024 21:36

Eloise, if the DWP had about 1/20th of its current staff, as was the case 40 years ago when there were actually more unemployed, then taxes would be lower & people would still get their benefits – & they'd still be automatically sanctioned if they failed to sign on at their allotted day+time, as their payments would be stopped & they'd have to make a new claim, as happened then.
The system was better then because it cost a whole lot less & the staff didn't have to ask you lots of Qs every visit to tick their boxes until you felt totally demoralised & in a less confident state of mind to jobseek (& of course jobseeking requires confidence).
The workcoaches now might be pleasant (mostly) but they're still absolutely not helping - they're not even allowed to give you info (in most cases); they just say to look it up online - so it really wouldn't matter if most of them were made redundant & we just had to sign on in long lines, as in the old days, with each DWP person signing on thousands of people/week instead of 75.

DeftRosePoster · 04/02/2025 13:05

It's 2025 and I'm attempting to bring this conversation forward to the present. Many of the job coaches like the imbalance of power between them and the unemployed person in a vulnerable position. They will use restart as a form of punishment, miss phone appointments or phone late, threaten to sanction you and send people over 60 to jobs over 50 hours. They have got worse, especially on people over 60 who despite applying for over 100 jobs and interviewing whilst keeping uc account up to date, they appear to get some type of dysfunctional gratification from bullying people until the suffer a stroke or breakdown. Be savvy folks, keep names numbers and note anything unusual and keep ur uc account up to date. Finally get support from other services or MP. Good luck.

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