To wonder how people will financially survive?

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To think that many people are struggling already. Food price rises, gas and electric costs. The general cost of living due to inflation from either brexit since the pandemic and Ukraine war. But come on some people were struggling before any of those factors. Financially people will be pushed to breaking christmas will be off the cards general life will stagnate no meals out leisure activities cinema socialising new clothes treat foods. The threat of blackouts and wondering how we will pay bills to keep warm or keep a house running. Never mind buying food the price of it plus the large gaps on shelves. Winter will be miserable. It's becoming impossible to live in this country.

THIS! Especially last sentence.

It won't be the majority though, because, again, those predictions are still based on a) the average family - average by very definition can't also be the majority AND those on a fix whose bills won't increase also won't be included

and b) the assumption that said family will use the same amount of energy has they have over the previous years and won't at least try to cut back, which the vast majority of people will.

Genuine question: if my utility bill goes up to the predicted 500 quid a month, where am I supposed to find that extra £400? I use very little energy as it is! Shop at Aldi/Lidl, no holidays, dogs on cheapest food possible, no make up purchases, anything the kids need is from ebay or charity shops. I'm living month to month! I have no savings. One saving grace I suppose is that I have only got £1700 on a credit card, my only debt. Baffled.

I imagine you had a proper fireplace though, and could burn wood or coal to keep warm. A lot of us don't have this option - it's all central heating now.

Being in the EU won't make energy cheaper but it will make it more affordable. Bigger economy - higher wages and govt coffers to give subsidies.

Brexiters need to step up and decide whether being warm is more important than keeping foreigners out.

Grants from Energy companies and Charities
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/energy-supply/get-help-paying-your-bills/grants-and-benefits-to-help-you-pay-your-energy-bills/#Grants_To_Help_Pay_Energy_Debts

Brexiters need to step up and decide whether being warm is more important than keeping foreigners out.

That ship has sailed. We are actively recruiting abroad for the NHS/care homes and I laugh at the assumption that Europe will simply agree to have us back. We threw away a bloody good deal and Johnson made sure our Brexit was the hardest on offer, because he could not be bothered with the small print.

There is always a next election…frankly I can see an uprising….people are going to be starving….what happened historically in France can happen here….

Brexiters need to step up and decide whether being warm is more important than keeping foreigners out.

Even if a vote atm would swing the other way both major parties aren’t offering it up so the process for stepping up isn’t there

I have a disability too, so I know something of what you’re feeling. Your statement that you don’t want to be here any more worries me. Sometimes it helps to talk to someone uninvolved on a personal level. I have counselling experience and would be glad to lend an ear. Please do PM me if you feel I can help.

It’s been said that the British public will put up with anything without complaint, but I agree with you. When the full realisation of what’s happening hits this winter I think there will be social unrest.

I agree that Brexiters are unlikely to change their minds soon.

But the best way to sow the seeds for rejoining is to make sure the causal relationship between Brexit and economic catastrophe is kept to the forefront (as per the wonderful Emily Maitlis)...

But no-one knows where this will end do they ? If Putin decides to cut off gas supplies to Europe the prices will take off again - even if he doesn’t the prices aren’t coming down any time soon. There was a news report this morning that Russia is burning off $6m of ‘excess’ gas every day - that excess is as a result of cutting supplies to European countries. Hardly bodes well for the future when one lunatic has so much influence.

Absolutely @TmFid and the particular Tory Arsewipe, the Chancellor, who’s being paid by public money to do nothing, telling people to use less energy, had the audacity to claim for heating his bloody stables from the public purse! Bastards 🤬

I’m assuming sarcasm ?

Yes, I'm not saying we won't ever rejoin but it won't be in the near future. The situation will have to be such that the EU don't suspect continued volatility and attempts to remove us the next time the government changes. Probably that won't happen until the demographics shift a bit more and the generational cohorts who primarily supported it are fewer in number.

You can be damn sure and take for a fact that Bozo, lying Liz, Rishi Rich, the tax dodging Chancellor and the rest of the corrupt cabal of lying, disgusting Tories, won’t be sitting in the cold and dark!! That’s just for us plebs, who have to suck it up and see! Meanwhile these right wing, xenophobic arse lickers, will keep voting for these abhorrent cunts!

Slight tangent, is there a reason why solar panels on new builds still aren't mandatory?

Would reduce energy costs.

And apparently quite good for our planet :)

Our welfare system is what makes the UK a low wage economy. Whatever the rights and wrongs of subsidising business costs are it was like this before and it’ll continue to be like this unless we accept we pay more for goods and services so other people can be paid a living wage.

Quite possibly on a larger economy but the reality is the next year will be hard, we don’t really know what that will look like for europe as a whole (us included). There are a lot of moving parts and a lot of uncertainty. I’m not sure that the EU is going to come out of this in much better shape than a post brexit uk. Just can’t be certain. If I could make those kinds of predictions I’d be a very rich woman.

I didn’t vote in the referendum, I have no dog in this fight. I do think global issues and the after effects of the pandemic are more salient issues in the shit hitting the fan.

Call me a conspiracy theorist (which I never have been), but I think there's more to all that's going on than we know. The sheer shit-show that's the UK with no solutions being offered and the type of businesses no longer able to survive and the majority of the population not able to pay their bills. The bankers, venture capitalists, etc making more and more money whilst hospitality is closing down. Where do people gather and exchange views? There's a massively increasing gap between those who make money on the backs of others' employment and those employed. God forbid that people should have public spaces to come together and agree on fighting for rights. It's all well and fine getting together on social media, but strangers need to be able to come together face to face.

Genuine question: Why were the government so quick to step in with all those COVID support measures versus practically nothing of substance in this situation?

But .... Jeremy Corbyn

Tory ideology - the divide between rich and poor gets wider. The rich are warm in winter, the poor die if they can’t pay their bills. Anyone feel like we’re living a Dickens novel ?

Yes why?

This!