Wales primary the sex education experiment

[justasking111]

Now Wales has been ahead with some things, kudos to that. But sex education in primaries, masturbation at nine, advice from the WHO . Parents not allowed to know the content of lessons. It's out of hand now IMO. Are the staff of primaries happy with this.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/wales-sex-education-plans-court-23776923

gov.wales/curriculum-wales-relationships-and-sexuality-education-rse-code

I feel we're being bamboozled into this

YABU dinosaur thinking

YANBU primary is too early

You can, it's on the Welsh Government Website.

All they are saying is no school is going to hand you the lesson plan. Same as they don't tell you what day they are teaching multiplication and what day they are teaching subtraction. But your child will learn both during that term.

They literally can see the curriculum, the op linked to it in the first post, anyone can see it

But whats your point?

You seem to be complaining that Plaid want the welsh government to reform education plans, then complain the current education plans aren't good enough. (as an aside comparing 18 schools to ~120 schools makes for a very biased dataset)

So if the government changes things that bad, but the current status, that's bad? What do you actually want? What is your point you are trying to make?

Why do we just assume we know best? Have you not seen the dismal statistics on teenage pregnancy in the UK compared to, say, other European nations?

This is largely because we are trying to deal with the wrong thing. 4 out of 5 teenage pregnancies are by adult men having sex with teenage children. Sadly in this country our answer to that is to put the onus on the child. We need to tackle the issue of adult men having sex with children to reduce this.

@bigfootisreal that's interesting, do you have some links to back that up?

Have you got a source for this please? Even if it is true, giving girls and young women more agency over their own bodies is not a bad thing.

Your individual school should also have a sex education policy, secondary schools in particular must have this but most primaries do too IME. This policy can be viewed wherever you can view their other policies (website, school handbook, etc) and will tell you what is taught, when it is taught, how it is taught, and who to speak to if you have any questions.

I know I went through the period talks with both my girls myself. (So, ‘reproduction’, despite your earlier claim, as periods are part of the reproductive system)

I did, nippywoowoo, not the school. And the school did not go to the extent of what that the guidelines from wales said. And parents are always involved. And btw little to no time is spent on relationships or body parts or whatever. It just does not feature high on the priority list, especially after covid. Majority of time not dedicated to subjects is spent on anti bullying protocol.

Also maybe good to know, majority of kids don't go to state schools but what is called special schools, most of them religious.

Really not sure why you are attacking me because I stated the sex ed people think Dutch kids get is not the sex ed they actually get. Maybe actually listen and learn of someone who knows that trying to prove you are right when you are not.

It is from looking at the teen mums vs teen boys data. There are a substantial amount of teen mums and much less teen dads. If it was teen boys getting teen girls pregnant the numbers would be the same.

The discrepancy shows it must be adult men if it is not teen boys.

@bigfootisreal that is an extrapolation that you cannot make. Unless you have research data about the age of the fathers, it's conjecture. One teenage boy can easily get multiple girls pregnant in one area! It's also much easier to deny that you are a teenage dad than that you are a teenage mum. I am afraid I don't set much store by your conclusion.

Well given it was part of a study that concluded as such from the research and responses given by female participants then it is not my conclusion that was made.

Why not just link to the study then? That would have helped.

Because I read it about 5 years ago and I don't store links just on the off chance that random people on mumsnet will ask for that. How about you research it yourself?

65% YANBU - really mumsnet ??! 😭😭😭😭

@bigfootisreal found it. It's quite well analysed here. And the point I made stands: you cannot extrapolate from this, especially since the original study concerned a US population.

The analysis @pointythings has linked to is excellent

For anyone on the thread without the time to read it, as well as being a US study the data was from 1988 going back to births as early as 1958

(In the US too as well where underage marriage is still legal in 8 states)

Additionally a 2018 (I think) study by the UK government found that girls said they were less likely to sleep with men much older than them if they had had sufficient sex education, so in fact sex education is still one of the answers to this issue if it is still an issue.

This wasn't the study I read but something similar it was UK data. I suppose many people are researching it as it is a problem.

Stop being a drama llama, I didn't attack you. I just pointed out that what you said was covered in schools was essentially what Google said 😇

I haven't got anywhere with further searches but really, it doesn't matter. The question I keep asking is what part of the SRE curriculum OP has linked to she objects to. Because good SRE empowers women (and men).

Well the answer to the problem is not to stop sex education for boys and girls to be fair which is what the Op appears to be advocating for, or at least reducing it significantly

And I asked for that to happen did I? Not at all. What I don't agree with is sex education where we tell girls they are responsible for not getting exploited or raped and if that does happen then they should at least use contraception as the worst thing is for them to get pregnant.

And if you could point to that specific advice in the guidelines we are discussing that would be excellent thank you, where it says to blame girls....

I very much doubt its in any lesson plans to tell girls that it is their own fault if they have underage sex or get raped. And given the curriculum specifically discusses what consent actually is and what flags to look out for in abusive relationships I very much doubt the senario above is actually happening in welsh schools.

In fact, as I mentioned previously, in 2018 the government found that girls were less likely to have sex with significantly older men as a result if they had better sex education, so to be honest in relation to the thread I really don't understand the point you are trying to make. Especially as sex education is aimed at boys understanding consent as much as girls.

If this is happening in a welsh school you know of I would suggest you report it to estyn.

I had sex education in primary school in Wales in the mid 90s. Don’t really see the issue.

Same here, I was at a tiny primary school in a sheep farming area, we already had a fair idea where babies came from by that point anyway 😂

Almondsandraisins
A lot of sex education is victim blaming stuff.