If the younger (14 year old) teenager wanted to go out with us but the 16 year old didn't would you go out anyway and leave the 16 year old at home. After a morning of the 14 year ds, dh and I trying to persuade his brother which means we're leaving later than intended anyway that's what I've proposed to dh and the boys to do. Just taken his share of the sandwiches out the picnic and put them in the fridge