Why don't nhs night staff want you to sleep?

[ICaughtTonsillitisFromAFriendsKid]

Sleep is a great healer.
So why is everything done to keep ward patients awake all night? (Well it feels that way)

In the day the wonderful staff are very kind, but overnight, why no whispering, at all? Not even stage whispering? I've just staggered out of bed trying not to rip out my cathetera and canula to pull the bible sheet curtain round a bit, but everyone else is left with curtains pushed back to the walls.

Everyone is so kind and happy to help, I don't even want to say anything, but I'm just exhausted, as are all of these very poorly ladies.

It seems the doctors are not too bad at whispering, I must concede.

Staff working nights are more selfish.
I’d be a lot more selfish!! They do an amazing job

This thread is ridiculous

You're not in prison you are well within your rights to leave.. but you won't so keep on abusing the staff op bet they love you

@EgonSpengler2020 I love your posts. Would love to have a trip advisor for patients

have only read up to about page 17 but this stands out (sorry can't remember the poster - you're writing your dissertation or thesis on sleep?)

im deeply regretting my dissertation topic right now. Its just impossible to promote sleep and complete all the tasks necessary through the night.

Nobody is saying (well nobody serious) that the work doesn't need to be or shouldn't be done. What they are saying is that a bit of consideration would go a long way.

Banging open a bedding cupboard, and then closed again? soft close hinges are a thing
Soft close bins
Not talking about your private lives where patients can overhear (or if you want to do it quietly)
Where possible main lights off
Seems to me a questionnaire of people after their stay, about noise levels wouldn't be a bad thinng.

The other batshit thing is not keeping visitors (particularly in post-natal wards) quiet. Patients with iPads and no headphones? WTF? etc I had my babies in Germany (5 nights as standard after the birth 24 years ago, not sure about now) and apart from the fact that they were generally 2 person rooms (luckily for my room-mate who started to bleed really badly after the birth, i could get help for her) everything was very calm and quiet as possible. Had emergency admission later on for something else, again, calm and quiet outside of the crash team and so on. It may be down to staffing levels, but i don't think cutting down noise is rocket science.

You selected your lunch right after breakfast which was at 7, breakfast was the same for everyone (don't get me on to German hospital breakfasts / evening meals though. My visitors brought me food)

Yes the NHS is free at point of use. Yes the staff are overworked (awfully, dangerously so) and they are underpaid. That also needs to be addressed urgently.

Yes it absolutly is. It seems everyone likes to join in the nurse bashing for their own enjoyment.

@ICaughtTonsillitisFromAFriendsKid
Ignoring all three previous drama across the thread can you enquire if you are well enough to go on pass? Is your condition stable? Are your obs OK?

For example if you are awaiting something like an ERCP you don't want to be discharged because your bloods are deranged but sometimes your team will let you go home overnight and come back am to awaiting your procedure/scan if its not something that would happen urgently overnight.

You'll need to speak to the nurse soonish though because it will be the day shift medical team (your parent team and the consultant that you are under) that would decide. If you wait until after 5 the oncall doctor is unlikely to be facilitating that as they are busy dealing with the emergencies that happen overnight.

Do you want to clarify to me what I have done that constitues abuse?

existing probably😂

I think that a lot of these kind nurses commenting should apply to work in morgues where their patients are already dead.

Is there no humanity left in this fucking world?

I want to ask a question. There's a patient nearby in a lot of pain with cramp, but the nurses have gone to get some painkillers.
I don't want to stick my nose in but why would it be that they wouldn't give her a rub, or an ice pack or heat pack?
Thank you!

Presumably they won't be massaging what could potential be a DVT, since they are HCPs and not idiots.

Because they are idiots and don't know the potential causes for cramp including low potassium ;)
Let's hope her heart isn't the next thing to cramp.

They didn't call a doc though, did they? They have gone to get paracetamol?

Hang on, I didn't say anyone was an idiot, where has that come from? Why is there so much nastiness? A woman is in pain, that's all. I have said nothing.
Can we please stop being nasty?

They don't know how to treat leg cramp non pharmacologically.

I just wondered that painkillers would mask the pain but a massage or a cold/hot pad could relax the muscle. I can only comment what i would do to my own body when suffering with cramps.

How do you know they aren't doing that whilst sorting pain relief? How do you know they haven't already got a blood result from today ruling on electrolyte imbalance? How do you know that one of the nurses isn't an ANP? How do you know I don't know the many causes of cramp, since I was simply referencing OP comment that the nurses should be giving this patient a leg rub, clearly contraindicated in a DVT, and with a patient group at high risk of DVTS (pregnant and post natal women including those having had c sections) they would be high up on the list of differentials? How do you know that OP isn't a nosy (bored) women who doesn't know everything there is to know about this patients care, possibly including the fact that the patient is already known to have a DVT and on clexane and now just needs pain relief?

Let the nurses get on with their jobs without unnecessary and uninformed judgement then.

What the hell are you talking about? This isn't a labour ward.
They haven't called a doctor. They have called the nurse and she said "I will get paracetamol".

That is all the information I have.

I also didn't say they SHOULD be doing anything. Of course I know nothing about her medical history! I only asked a bloody question.

As for calling me nosy and bored, well I'm right next to this poor lady and she's crying out to me in pain. Shall I just tell her to stfu because it's nothing to do with me? And bored? More bored at talking to you to be fair.

Stop being so rude.

I'm not judging. I'm asking a question.

Please go away.

Where did i mention labour ward, my understanding is you are on the postnatal ward, which are often combined with antenatal (in smaller hospitals).

MN is rife with ill informed criticism of HCPs at the moment. The NHS is collapsing, but this is not the fault of the staff still turning in for shift and trying to to their job in near impossible circumstances.

She may well be waiting for pain relief, as she might not be due paracetamol yet, and they might need other stronger meds writing up, has that occured to you.

Why do you think an internet forum could advise on a patient they have never met, and have a single sentences of dangerous suggestions, from a non medically trained person to go off. Why do you even need advice on a strangers medical care?

Try assuming the staff are doing their best in difficult circumstances for a bit and look at things from a different perspective.

I am criticising no-one. I am asking a question. I will probably get cramp one day and I would like to know if it is usual not to perform a massage. People ask questions on mn all the time.

I'm confused at how you think I don't think the staff are doing their best.

If you are under the impression I am on any kind of ante or post natal ward, you haven't read my posts.

It seems your intention is to attack me. I will not rise to it as my intentions are good.

Skimming back through I'm sure you had said you were in having just had a baby, but i think that was a someone replying making assumptions, either way, post operative and immobile/reduced mobility patients have increased risk of DVTs. Let the staff do their job.

Let the staff do their job.

^ is paracetamol first line treatment for suspected DVT?

OP is just asking questions.