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AIBU here or is my DM?

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incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 16:13

I’m well and truly naffed off and started my day feeling down in the dumps. I knew DM would be at home so I gave her a call in the hope I’d come off the phone feeling brighter, she can be good at cheering others up.

Myself and my OH are tenants at the moment but hoping to buy as soon as we can. We signed the lease on a beautiful new build semi in a nice location at the beginning of this year, all was great. We were some of the first to move in and although we have a couple of lovely neighbours, progressively the estate has got worse and worse. The build itself has suffered quite a few major leaks and there have been other snags along the way. Our next door neighbours smoke cannabis every day, at various times throughout the day, and it travels through the vents in the house. If I open my back door even just for a minute the smell comes into my house. Police are on the estate most days, usually the same couple of houses down the road from us which I find unsettling. I am not happy and working hard to better this situation, OH is doing all the overtime under the sun, though it couldn’t have come at a worse time considering the impending recession and rocketing of interest rates and bills.

We have a joint income of about 54k before tax with room for promotion but likely not any time soon as we are both junior and still very young.

Anyway, I was explaining to my DM that I was feeling rubbish not expecting sympathy but just hoping for a sounding board. She was incredulous when I told her our savings depleted when we moved here and demanded to know where all my ‘disposable’ income had gone, as they had kindly bought us a fridge freezer so we didn’t have that to pay for. OH has recently done a course costing over £1000 and we have paid for our first holiday ever together, which wasn’t cheap. I know holidays are a luxury but we have worked extremely hard to go away for 5 days and even that has stretched the budget. Direct debits, food and fuel take 50% of our combined monthly income. In her view we should have tons more saved, enough to put a deposit down somewhere on a bought property. I tried to explain a deposit and legal fees would be worth one year of my salary.

I came off the phone feeling extremely embarrassed and I’d riled myself up, spun round in circles trying to defend my/our outgoings and explain over and over how costly bills and rent are.

We do not drink, drive cheap older cars that we own outright and are working hard to build a future. We eat out maybe twice or three times a month at chain restaurants on nights when you can use a tastecard to make savings. I might have got my wires crossed somewhere but I just felt ashamed afterwards. The crazy part is, this time last year when I was more disciplined with my money, she was telling me I was not making memories and had no sense of fun. I felt self conscious about this and then tried to do everything possible, mainly for appearances so that nobody thought I was having a boring life (I wasn’t, as it happens). I shouldn’t have been so impressionable then but my self esteem was, and arguably still is, on the lower side. Working on it.

DM kept repeating that we have more disposable income than she and my father so it’s ridiculous that we haven’t saved more than we have. This doesn’t compute to me, as they are lucky enough to own a beautiful home in an affluent area, they go on plenty of holidays and drive new cars. DSis’s wedding was funded by my parents, easily in the 10-20k ballpark. I am fairly sure their house was partially too, and she herself is a top earner. Parents have said they will put an ‘amount’ towards our house deposit once we’ve saved, but to do so comes with the caveat that OH’s family also contribute otherwise it’s not fair. There is no one in his family who is able to unfortunately, nor would we expect or ask for help.

I would never demand or expect to receive any kind of monetary support, I want to be really clear on that. I had a privileged upbringing and would not expect a penny as an adult, and thank them to excess when they are kind enough to pay for everyone at a family meal etc. I was just hoping for a chinwag and a vent, with some moral support of funny anecdotes coming back from her maybe to reassure me it isn’t all that bad!! AIBU? Very open to criticism if it’s due.

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ChloeKellyIsAnIcon · 19/08/2022 16:21

I think it can be genuinely hard for the older generations to understand how hard it is to buy property these days. My parents bought a 4-bed house in London, on public sector salaries and without any family help - that would be completely impossible now!

Having said that, it's really unfair of your parents to only contribute if your partner's family will contribute the same. That seems to mean that your sister gets double money (from your parents plus the same from her partner's parents) while you get zero!

If you have a generally good relationship then try to move past this. But if your mum often seems to make you feel rubbish, maybe it's time to step back from the relationship slightly and stop confiding in her and justifying yourself.

Endlesslypatient82 · 19/08/2022 16:25

Op you didn’t need to justify it to us! And not to your mum either.

If your savings were wiped due to a £1000 course and a holiday for 2 - it wasn’t going to get you even remotely close to being able to put a deposit down.

Head down and make savings where you can and don’t talk to your mum about money (or accept gifts that come with a side order of guilt)

annoyedneighbour1 · 19/08/2022 16:31

A holiday, a £1000 course and 3 restaurant meals a month isn't the way to save for a house.

That being said I don't really know why your mums annoyed... it's not like you're affecting her life.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 19/08/2022 16:38

Take a deep breath. No matter how you have felt before you now know that your DM doesn't understand your life as much as you thought she did.

Whatever help your DSis got she met their expectations. You don't seem to be in that position. That's how some families work. Finding out that's how yours works if you've never had reason to notice before can be quite heartbreaking.

So, now, if you think that is what is happening to you, take some advice from those of us who have been there:

Yes, get your head down and save every penny you can. Don't even think about your parents helping out. If they mention it again say bluntly that DPs family can't do that so thanks for the thought but that won't be happening.

Don't think about the disparity, don't try to understand their thinking. If you do have a conversation about it prepare not to understand a word you are told. I remember looking at my parents wondering who had stolen them and replaced them with weird judgemental bigots. Sadly that turned out to be who they really are. The child me had never noticed, the adult me couldn't miss it.

Keep your eye on your own goals. Be happy 🙂

incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 16:39

@ChloeKellyIsAnIcon thanks for your reply, it does feel unequal but like I say I would never expect anything. I’m just not sure why the conversation turned the way it did!

@Endlesslypatient82 thank you for this, I think I would morally feel more comfortable not accepting anything from them. I feel lots of guilt around everything they’ve done as it is. We will be extremely frugal for several months and see where we get, it would be great if we could save near to a full wage.

@annoyedneighbour1 that is very true, we could have done better.

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neilyoungismyhero · 19/08/2022 16:40

I often listen to my DCs talk about their money situations, one is often moaning more than the others but manages to spend horrendous amounts of money on, in my view, ridiculous things they really dont need, another one works really hard long hours and spends lots of money on take outs, I worked really hard too and managed to cook for my entire family but I smile and tut and sympathise, it's not my business, it's not my life and damn sure it's not my money. They don't ask me for anything and I wouldn't dream of giving my opinion which is never asked for anyway. It's the best way for family harmony, your children probably don't need or want your advice.

Aquamarine1029 · 19/08/2022 16:45

Lesson learned. Don't share your financial issues with your mother. It's none of her business anyway.

incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 16:45

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist thank you, genuinely. I’m afraid it does seem like the situation. I can’t and don’t understand why siblings can ever be treated differently by parents but hey ho! Can look at it optimistically I suppose and view it as ammunition to work and save even harder.

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incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 16:50

@neilyoungismyhero sound advice.

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incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 17:02

@Aquamarine1029 you are right, I do over share, one of my biggest weaknesses! I just wish we had the kind of equals relationship where I felt I could, and where she felt she could tbh

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Yorkshirepuddingwithsyrupnotgravy · 19/08/2022 17:11

Maybe your DM got wound up because you're not really saving hard (holiday/takeouts) and she was thinking you were moaning in the hope she'd offer you a lump sum? Keep your money woes to yourself if you dont want to hear any feedback from her

phishy · 19/08/2022 17:16

I can understand venting to her about the neighbours, but why tell her about your depleted savings and costs?

She may have thought you were after some money. (It doesn't sound like you were to me).

My mum takes every comment as a hint for money (signs of paranoia).

Do they treat your sister differently? Have they said they would pay for your wedding too?

effingmarie · 19/08/2022 17:18

I honestly don't think some of the older generation understand.

House prices have risen hugely, salaries have not. My parents bought their 3 bed house with a huge garden in the 90s for £52k.

Our 2 bed with a tiny garden bought 3 years ago cost us £290k.

incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 17:25

@Yorkshirepuddingwithsyrupnotgravy very true, didn’t think this way.

@phishy actually, yeah. I hope she didn’t. My mum is extremely close with my sister yeah, often I feel a bit out of that but could be my perception of things

@effingmarie exactly! It’s gone so crazy. Every time you think you’re near the goal posts are moved again. Frustrating

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vivainsomnia · 19/08/2022 17:31

Why go for a semi if no children and desperate to save to buy? I'd gone for the cheapest flat in a decent location.

It does come down to priority. You have done anything wrong in that everyone has a choice of how to spend their money but if the priority is to buy, than maybe there were better ways to get there quicker.

incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 17:34

@vivainsomnia it was cheaper than anything else in our area by a couple of hundred pounds including flats as it’s on a scheme where we pay slightly discounted rent (by 20%) in order to buy it at the end of several years if we want to, they do it that way so people can save.

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incognitopurple · 19/08/2022 19:18

Thanks everyone for your balanced replies :)

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chatterbug22 · 19/08/2022 23:00

YANBU

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