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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask - what TF are we going to do about it?

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Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 15:21

There have been lots and lots of threads and comments from people rightfully worried that shit is hitting the fan. Austerity, Brexit, COVID, climate change, inflation, the energy crisis, spiralling cost of living, Ukraine, corruption, a zombie government and probably a worse one to come - the list goes on.

For me, it's been good to read these threads and see that others feel similarly. But they also make me feel a sense of despair and, to be honest, fatigue bordering on apathy. I feel like we're all boiled frogs, totally burned out by the constant stream of bad news.

I'm desperate for the conversation to move on. So I wanted to start a thread where we could share ways to push back.

They don't have to be the best ideas, or even good, but for the sake of my own wellbeing I'd like to start thinking about what power we might have to influence our lives/society for the better.

Some caveats - making change takes time and resource, and it's a privilege. I don't want people to read this as a criticism of whatever they're doing, but rather a call to do what we can (even if that's nothing!). And I'm not fussed about this whole thread being seen as naive or utopian. Put simply, I disagree.

I'll start:

Campaigning and lobbying:

-Reflect - What is your ideal (within reasonable limits or not) for what society should look like in a year's time, or 5 years' time? What policy ideas do you think should be implemented to make this happen? Discuss your ideas with your friends, family, and co-workers. Start to build a coalition
-Identify people or groups who care about the things you care about, and/or are actively campaigning to make change happen. Go to meetings, take part in activities, set up direct debits to support them.
-Go to protests (yes, even though it's now illegal)
-Write to your MP (use Theyworkforyou)
-Call into the radio
-If you're a member of a political party, write and ask what they're doing about it. Put forward suggestions if you have any
-Door knock, leaflet, work phone banks. Either with your chosen campaign/support groups, or your political party.
-Fact-check, always. Be a paragon of accuracy and constructiveness in your discussions and debates. Show the politicians how it's done. Use fullfact.org
-Cherish your local landmarks. If someone's about to knock it down to build a car park or whatever, submit a planning objection on your council's planning portal

Solidarity and mutual aid:

-Be nice to your neighbours. Build a neighbourhood of people who look out for each other. Take their parcels, lend them your tools, give them extra biscuits, invite them to have coffee.
-Volunteer, for a big national charity or a small local community garden or anything in between
-Donate to food banks. Keep questioning why they're necessary.
-Be kind to people who are struggling to make ends meet. This is a lot of people, and it's not always who you think
-Take part in surveys by community groups or the council asking what improvements you'd like to see in your local area. Think bigger than "bins", councils are already well aware of the bin situation!
-Unionise!! Dear god, unionise. Both at work and a renter's union, if you're a renter
-Take in a refugee, or a young homeless person (via an established scheme please, see Nightstop as an example)
-If you see someone sleeping rough, use Streetlink to alert homelessness outreach services. Say hi, ask them what they need, and - if you can - give it to them with no strings attach

This is all my brain can come up with right now. I'd love to hear everyone else's ideas.

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Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 15:25

One more thing to add - focus your energy on what you can influence and look after yourself. Can't pour from an empty jug.

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SquirrelFan · 17/08/2022 15:54

Thank you OP for this thread! I don't have any other ideas but I do some of the ones in your post and am looking at more. Thanks especially for the resources on our MPs, etc.

Some of these seem so big, so time-consuming, and the end goal seems so far away, that I have focused on the smaller, easier things (food bank donations, for instance). If anyone has any recommendations for more small and manageable steps, please post!

Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 16:00

That's OK! I did it for myself as much as everyone else haha.

I agree that some of these take a lot of work when everyone's already so tired. For smaller steps, if there's an issue that I feel strongly about, I might seek out an existing charity or campaign group. They sometimes post template letters for you to send to your MP or council (depending on the issue). Or you can support them with money instead of time, if this is an option for you.

Another thing which I'd like to do soon is pick litter. Doesn't have to be part of a group or anything, just me and a bin bag!

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Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 16:12

Also:
-buy locally, support small businesses. Think about how your money could be used to support your local community instead of flowing out of it
-ask your favourite coffee shop whether they have a "pay it forward" scheme, so you can pay for a coffee for someone else who might be struggling. If they don't suggest they start one and make the first donation.
-seek out good news stories, of people pushing back and making change. Share them. Talk about them. Start to cultivate a "people power" mindset. I loved this series and keep coming back to it: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/the-alternatives
-if you've got a local community pub, become a shareholder! Or just go for a pint
-if you see a protest or a picket and you agree, give them a toot or a wave to show solidarity. Write into newspapers when they ask "who agrees with this nonsense?"
-use your local library, even just sometimes (this can help to build the case against them shutting down!)

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FluffyMcFluff · 17/08/2022 16:15

Look up the 'great turning'

SquirrelFan · 17/08/2022 16:16

Omg, libraries, of course!

Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 16:24

SquirrelFan · 17/08/2022 16:16

Omg, libraries, of course!

Libraries are a nice example of a "third place" - a place that isn't your home or work, which is traditionally a place to get together with others and build a sense of belonging and community:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

What are your third places? And how might you support them?

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Camomila · 17/08/2022 16:32

Church/mosque/synagogue...another place where it is good to help out with Sunday school/tea and coffee/reading if you can.

PTA at school/nursery

absolutelyanythingwilldo · 17/08/2022 16:50

I think spraying the contents a septic tank on Southern Waters head offices would be a good start.

Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 17:00

FluffyMcFluff · 17/08/2022 16:15

Look up the 'great turning'

Thank you for this! gaining visibility via direct action + analysing how we got here + putting forward (and implementing!) structural alternatives is a great model. All it needs is for us to get heads together to make it happen.

Earlier this year I decided that my mid-year resolution would be to seek out people who understood models like this one and who were motivated to take action. It helps! At home we're just a talking shop

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Phrenologistsfinger · 17/08/2022 17:16

I find daily habits helpful: small things that across time and number of people build up to something significant. My biggest concern is CC/environment as I think a lot of other issues are knock on effects (e.g. Climate Change-Resource Wars-Ukraine landgrab-fossil-fuel shortages-cost of living issues/high food prices & shortages).

  1. when i walk the dog (in a local wood or park), I keep her poo bag open and full it with litter (focus on plastic and currently glass as a fire hazard). Every beach trip or country walk I pick up at least 3 bits of plastic (usually more) and bin it (recycle if suitable).
  2. I’ve designed my life/diet/home around being as low-carbon and sustainable as I can within my personal means. Recycling, veganism, green energy, second hand most things, EV. The usual stuff. No flights, cruises, ferries. All trains, bikes or EV
  3. I garden to maximise biodiversity above all else.
  4. My job is focused at changing behaviour in this general space.
  5. I don’t preach (it just alienates ppl) but friends, colleagues and family know why I do what I do. Some are interested in doing more too...
  6. All voting and economic decisions made with my key issues in mind (no.1 environment, extinction & climate change).
probably more to say. Will come back after mulling some more… great thread op.
Phrenologistsfinger · 17/08/2022 17:17

Oh and currently focused on using less water/energy etc.

TheWayoftheLeaf · 17/08/2022 17:21

It's not illegal to go to protests...

terrywynne · 17/08/2022 17:38

I've got interested in reading about Effective Altruism www.effectivealtruism.org/ which looks at things like where best to donate money and how to have an impact in your career (or indeed whether it is better to earn to give to other people with the skillets to have an impact)

Am also trying to get better at conserving water, have revamped garden to be better for wildlife, and have started to try Visible Mending rather than throwing out clothes that are only slightly damaged

Openmouthinsertfood · 17/08/2022 17:40

Thanks for this thread OP, it's nice to see something positive for a change! I also get emails from www.positive.news/ You don't have to pay to get their stories. Might help lift some ones mood?

Etinoxaurus · 17/08/2022 17:49

Great thread. I’m also thinking very close to home, so sorting out lined curtains, saved from a previous house before we had double glazing, buying extra long life food so we can stay out and save money if needs be and buying and storing coal now, not if and when it becomes more expensive. We got a new boiler earlier in the year, otherwise I’d definitely be getting it serviced and I’ve already switched to short showers rather than lovely long soaks. I’m thinking twice before chucking anything out like returning from uni duvets but clearing in case just fledged living in rental dcs come home.

MarshaMelrose · 17/08/2022 18:04

Go to protests (yes, even though it's now illegal)

Why do you think it's illegal to protest?

MarshaMelrose · 17/08/2022 18:14

Go to protests (yes, even though it's now illegal)

Be a paragon of accuracy and constructiveness in your discussions and debates.

Hmmm. 🤔

FluffyMcFluff · 17/08/2022 19:03

I love this thread. Thanks @Leypt1 .

abovedecknotbelow · 17/08/2022 19:25

Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 16:12

Also:
-buy locally, support small businesses. Think about how your money could be used to support your local community instead of flowing out of it
-ask your favourite coffee shop whether they have a "pay it forward" scheme, so you can pay for a coffee for someone else who might be struggling. If they don't suggest they start one and make the first donation.
-seek out good news stories, of people pushing back and making change. Share them. Talk about them. Start to cultivate a "people power" mindset. I loved this series and keep coming back to it: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/the-alternatives
-if you've got a local community pub, become a shareholder! Or just go for a pint
-if you see a protest or a picket and you agree, give them a toot or a wave to show solidarity. Write into newspapers when they ask "who agrees with this nonsense?"
-use your local library, even just sometimes (this can help to build the case against them shutting down!)

Problem with most of your suggestions is they cost. I buy local because we can afford it and I want to support small business, but it would be a lot cheaper to go down the road to Lidl. Coffee is an astronomical £2.95, they're losing business because people can't afford it, paying forward doesn't work if people aren't buying their own in the first place.

NOTANUM · 17/08/2022 20:33

I would add to the campaigning line of thought - make it constructive and pleasant. Those who go into public service, whether politicians, civil servants, medical staff etc, are usually driven by a desire to help society in some way. They don’t need abuse.
Its also tedious to constantly complain without offering ideas. Don’t like how a service is run? Consider how to improve it and offer ideas beyond just ‘spend money’ which is too simplistic.

hennybeans · 17/08/2022 20:43

Always, always vote. Even if, like my area, your party of choice stands little chance of winning. There's hardly ever a perfect candidate, but it's your chance to be heard. It's free and, in my opinion, a moral obligation and civic duty. Please vote.

Fernticket · 17/08/2022 20:48

NOTANUM · 17/08/2022 20:33

I would add to the campaigning line of thought - make it constructive and pleasant. Those who go into public service, whether politicians, civil servants, medical staff etc, are usually driven by a desire to help society in some way. They don’t need abuse.
Its also tedious to constantly complain without offering ideas. Don’t like how a service is run? Consider how to improve it and offer ideas beyond just ‘spend money’ which is too simplistic.

This is a brilliant thread. Thank you@Leypt1 . To NOTANUM, from all us Public Sector workers I thank you💐.

Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 22:19

abovedecknotbelow · 17/08/2022 19:25

Problem with most of your suggestions is they cost. I buy local because we can afford it and I want to support small business, but it would be a lot cheaper to go down the road to Lidl. Coffee is an astronomical £2.95, they're losing business because people can't afford it, paying forward doesn't work if people aren't buying their own in the first place.

Yes I agree, I'm painfully aware of how resource intensive so many of my suggestions are! Especially as people who are short of money might also be short of time.

I do think there's something about building a sense of community and mutual aid which shouldn't be limited to middle class people though! What would you add to the list?

@MarshaMelrose do as I say eh 😂apologies! I do think it's fair to say though that the state has much more leeway re.the reasons for which protests can be limited. What do you think?www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/advice_information/pcsc-policing-act-protest-rights/

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Leypt1 · 17/08/2022 22:23

hennybeans · 17/08/2022 20:43

Always, always vote. Even if, like my area, your party of choice stands little chance of winning. There's hardly ever a perfect candidate, but it's your chance to be heard. It's free and, in my opinion, a moral obligation and civic duty. Please vote.

Yes omg can't believe I forgot this. I read a thread the other day where this was put forward as pretty much the only option. Obviously not true but still so important as it sets the tone for debate for the next decade if nothing else (and ideally voting would do much more than this...)

I would add - vote tactically, even when it hurts, but campaign for a better voting system.

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