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Not paying for childcare this autumn as bills go up

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Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 10:35

I've just had an epiphany.....I absolutely won't be paying a penny for childcare this autumn as bills increase and I won't be made to feel guilty about it either. I can work from home and watch my baby and pick up my 10 year old from school without the assistance of anyone else and if my employer has an issue with it, he can pay an extra £2000 per month post tax to cover the cost of full time help.

Our bills are going to be about £800 a month just electricity and gas alone for our detached 4 bed house, this isn't even thinking about the increase of petrol or groceries.

The mortgage has also gone up a few hundred quid too....childcare and commuting is now a luxury not necessity and I really hope every parent joins me in asking for employers like it or lump it

Shameful the government have let everything get this far, the knock on effects will be huge

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LuckySantangelo35 · 08/08/2022 13:14

Dalaidramailama · 08/08/2022 13:12

@LuckySantangelo35

😂😂😂 This thread is getting funnier!!

@Dalaidramailama

bizarre isn’t it?!

TheKeatingFive · 08/08/2022 13:14

S'okay Lucky, the OP is somehow so good at her job she can not do it and still be a tremendous asset to her company. Or something.

prepared101 · 08/08/2022 13:14

You're suggesting that your employer raises your salary in line with inflation... I assume you don't work in economics else you'd know this would be absolutely catastrophic if employers did this.

Dalaidramailama · 08/08/2022 13:15

@LuckySantangelo35

Incredibly 😂

Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 13:15

Miffee · 08/08/2022 13:09

You just need to work harder.

My kids eat rock's and I don't complain.

I'm happy my kids suffer so millionaires can make more money. Why can't you be???

You're totally right, I can't believe I've never thought about it from that perspective @Miffee

Coming to think about it....there's plenty of ants in the garden right now! Free protein 😁

Can shave off £600 from the monthly household bills in groceries and I can continue to pay thousands a month in childcare and commuting so my billionaire employer can enjoy 40 hours a week of my undivided attention filling out spreadsheets for little pay increase 😂

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LivingDeadGirlUK · 08/08/2022 13:15

Oh wow didn't read the full thread, please don't not pay your energy bills, they have the authority to break into your house and fit prepaid meters. If you are struggling contact your supplier first to see if the costs can be spread out over the summer months where we use a lot less energy.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 08/08/2022 13:15

Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 12:30

How about.....no

I worked my ass off for a big detached house, I'm not selling to pay for energy bills when there are more sensible expendables

You do realise worked my arse off doesn't come with the right to a big detached house? People always say this like it's something that automatically comes with or deserves financial rewards. Many people work their arse off to just get by, those people aren't any less deserving of a big detached house then you are.

This won't change anything, it won't affect your employer, they don't care. Either they'll fire you or someone else at your workplace will have to pick up the slack. You're not going to give it to the man, you're most likely just going to make some other person's life harder.

Mooshroo · 08/08/2022 13:16

Ha I actually voted YABU based on your thread title cause it’s impossible to WFH with a child, I’m trying to do it on my contracted day off and it’s a nightmare!

Having read your following posts I get what you’re saying, my employer has raised my salary in line with inflation so I won’t be joining you but now I think YANBU for your circumstances 😅

coodawoodashooda · 08/08/2022 13:16

Shinyandnew1 · 08/08/2022 10:37

Your employer will probably just sack you.

This.

worraliberty · 08/08/2022 13:16

TheKeatingFive · 08/08/2022 13:09

So, based on responses here, I don't think the revolution is happening OP.

You take your stand though. Let us know how it goes 😉

Yes, the Keyboard Warrior Revolution 😂😂

The OP will be kicking it off next week with 'CAPS LOCK MONDAY'

Then every second Wednesday in the month, it's 'Type Your Boss To Death Day'.

Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 13:17

BoredOfGrey22 · 08/08/2022 13:13

@Essenceandvibes can you actually do your job by WFH full time AND look after your baby?

I guess it would work if you are a childminder in your own home and your being your baby to work.

Could you give us an idea of the work you do? It might give other people an idea for more flexibility of their own. Not many jobs (that I am aware of) could accommodate this successfully.

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gruffalosgrandma · 08/08/2022 13:18

the genetics of serfdom are strong !
Why should we work our fingers to the bone ? Wages are not keeping up with inflation . Living costs are going through the roof with very many families facing difficult financial choices. Should we really just knuckle down and make the best of it in order that those at the top of the pile can increase their profits and reap increased share dividends.

Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 13:18

Mooshroo · 08/08/2022 13:16

Ha I actually voted YABU based on your thread title cause it’s impossible to WFH with a child, I’m trying to do it on my contracted day off and it’s a nightmare!

Having read your following posts I get what you’re saying, my employer has raised my salary in line with inflation so I won’t be joining you but now I think YANBU for your circumstances 😅

I love it 😂

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SeasonFinale · 08/08/2022 13:18

For a short while I thought this was a serious thread. When she got to the tribunal part I realised it was a wind up.

xippo · 08/08/2022 13:19

You can't afford your current lifestyle, don't take it out on your employer.You need to downsize.

PEDRO12 · 08/08/2022 13:19

Dalaidramailama · 08/08/2022 13:06

@Essenceandvibes

I’m not worried at all about the extra 300 pounds that I’ll pay this winter. For context me and my husband have quite low paid jobs in comparison to other mumsnetters.

Oh I don’t live on a different planet but I do live in a council house with affordable rent. Seems you’ve been living beyond your means dear and you might need to work a bit harder. You and your husband clearly overstretched yourselves and now you’re coming across like an unhinged spoilt toddler who is throwing their dummy out the pram!

Some people really do need to grow up.

Spot on, I think its pretty obvious they are very tight for money otherwise you'd never consider this an option (along with don't pay lol) and lets be honest, saving the sorts of money spent on child care will go a long way to shoring up ever increasing bills from all angles, especially when you've probably based all finances on low interest/low inflation era we've seen in the last 10 years.

Alot of people will be in this boat I'm sure. Best bet is enough of those are around that Truss decides to bring in extra support, though I bet any money that is only to be aimed at the poorest/pensioners/vulnerable and someone in OPs position will jack all.

Staffy1 · 08/08/2022 13:20

Good luck. You will find you either neglect the baby or do bugger all at work, or both.

FinneusMum · 08/08/2022 13:20

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blueshoes · 08/08/2022 13:21

Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 12:58

Wow, so money is infinite in your imagination and £10000 a year is just pocket money? 🙃

If you're not worried about an extra £300 a month (on top of what you already pay now for basic essentials) going out of your account come October, you live on a different planet

Actually, I am not worried about increased bills. And I live in a 4 bed detached with bills no where as high as 800 a month, averaged out over the year.

Your figures don't add up, or your salary is too low to afford the house. Either way, not your employer's problem.

As a manager, I try to be accommodating to employees with childcare responsibilities. Often I hold my nose and try to be flexible and understanding. But this is taking it too far and not justifiable to the rest of the team who have to pick up the slack. A good manager will have to 'manage' your request. No one is indispensable, even myself. Often it is inertia that stops managers from the hassle of replacing someone. Better the devil you know, as they say. Nothing like a good threat and gun to the head to galvanise a manager to say enough is enough.

Essenceandvibes · 08/08/2022 13:22

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 08/08/2022 13:15

You do realise worked my arse off doesn't come with the right to a big detached house? People always say this like it's something that automatically comes with or deserves financial rewards. Many people work their arse off to just get by, those people aren't any less deserving of a big detached house then you are.

This won't change anything, it won't affect your employer, they don't care. Either they'll fire you or someone else at your workplace will have to pick up the slack. You're not going to give it to the man, you're most likely just going to make some other person's life harder.

Actually it kinda does.....I mean if all those late nights and weekends working away for banks I couldn't stand, £30k in student loans and my whole life spent chasing A*s at school doesn't entitle me to at least a nice detached house as I have a family then really what was the bloody point 🤷🏽‍♀️

If that's the case, we should stop telling kids to try hard at school because by your logic they're only entitled to the bare minimum anyway regardless of their input in life

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SuperPets · 08/08/2022 13:22

t's a form of protest to all those who don't quite understand, businesses will start to pressure the government into action if we all do this

Lol. Yeah, its definitely US that don't understand. Good luck there Gandhi, let us know how that civil disobedience works out for you!

pedropony76 · 08/08/2022 13:22

IF you do this. Don’t tell a soul. Not even a mum on the school run, not a FB post, no-one whatsoever. Someone could dob you in and you could end up sacked.

Yeah definitely keep it to yourself! People get pissed when you’re doing things to make stuff easier for yourself whilst they have to carry on struggling

Miffee · 08/08/2022 13:23

rainbowmilk · 08/08/2022 13:13

No, it isn’t. Child tax credits are a mechanism by which certain groups receive a refund on their tax paid, to put towards the care of their children. Everyone pays tax and if you have kids, you get the refund. If you don’t, you don’t. This is how it works currently and as an infertile person I accept that kids need financial support.

A childless tax would be a financial penalty applicable to one group only on the basis of behaviour that they perhaps can’t change or can’t easily change (e.g. infertile or gay people). As an infertile, gays person I would have serious objections to this. There’s a world of difference between the two politically and I don’t believe the government is seriously considering it.

"The government has tried to reverse the trend with little success. Authorities spent 153tn won (£106bn) between 2006 and 2018, according to figures from the national assembly, on measures designed to encourage more births. Those efforts include free childcare until the age of five, cash payouts to pregnant women and supporting youth clubs."

That's South Korea but other countries are following suite. See the cash payouts bit?

This is not to look after kids that need help, this is to incentivise people to have them. It will 100% happen here too as our low birth rate is a crisis and our anti immigration rhetoric is stronger than our hating kids rhetoric.

I am confused at your shock and apparent outrage at this. Governments treat whole swathes of society appallingly you must be very niave to think they would draw a line at the infertile.

ancientgran · 08/08/2022 13:24

gogohmm · 08/08/2022 10:51

If your utilities are £800 then you must live in a mansion - for comparison my 4 bed is £125 a month currently rising to £140 next month. You need childcare if you are working

Gas, electric and water? That is very little and the increase next month is going to be far more for most people, your increase is only just 12% and gas and electric are supposed to be going up by about 60% I thought.

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