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PIL after birth of DC - AIBU?

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Jane2711 · 07/08/2022 10:52

Hey everyone, just looking for a bit of advice RE the in law situation after the birth of my child in April. The relationship has really seemed to sour since the birth of our child. This began when MIL invited herself to stay for a week when our child was born, DP let her down gently by telling her we did not want this and wanted to bond with DC ourselves. This was fine.

DP 30th birthday was one week after DCs due date, MIL reached out to organise a big party for him, I politely rejected and said we did not want that as we did not know how we would feel when baby was born.

There is nothing wrong with offering, I am just including this as part of the story.

DC was born 3 weeks early as I had to have an emergency c section, he is 17 weeks now but DC stopped growing due to me contracting covid-19 towards the end of my pregnancy. DC spent 2 weeks in hospital after birth and us calling an ambulance first night he was home due to him not being able to regulate his body temperature and being diagnosed with hyperthermia, inability to feed so he was tube fed, jaundice - basically he was behaving prematurely and needed a bit of help at the start of his life. I expressed breast milk 8-12 a day at home and I brought his milk up to hospital, DC never learned to latch, as he became used to the bottle, so I am expressing for him and have been doing this for 17 weeks. I have been diagnosed with PPD and PPA, which was triggered by our rocky start. I am getting support for this, but I struggled letting people hold DC at the start. Now I am much more comfortable, and I let people hold him once I have settled into my surroundings. MIL and FIL were understanding at first, but when I let MIL hold him she started kissing him. DP had words with her that she can have as much cuddles as she wants but not kissing (DC was also diagnosed with a low immune system in hospital, and having PPA, this is always in the back of my mind which is also why I have kept expressing milk even though it’s a bastard). DP said to MIL 3 times about kissing DC, he told her when I was there and two seconds later she done it again and said sorry she forgot. At this point, I’m starting to get really uncomfortable in her company.

Every-time I changed DC, FIL would tell MIL to go through and she would start changing him with me. I felt over whelmed as we never saw them much before, DP understood but he always tried to defend them as just being excited.

FIL and MIL are not in contact with their other son, and have not seen him or their other grand children in 4 years (I think they were very manipulative towards him and he went NC). We told FIL and MIL that they were DC god parents and they did not reply and looked genuinely gutted. We also told them that our son would be going to a catholic school and they started questioning why.

They had never been like this before and I always felt relaxed round them, at this point DP is starting to feel uncomfortable too.

Earlier on this week, we visit FIL and MIL. FIL comes up to me, does not say hello, and tries to take DC from me. DC needed fed as he has been crying the whole way there. I explain that I am going to feed him, and he walks away in a mood. I am feeding DC and MIL says ‘if you’re not feeding him can I get a hold’. FIL says ‘maybe when she’s done feeding I can get a hold’. I start feeling very overwhelmed and start shaking, but continue to feed DC. After this, MIL and FIL sit in silence for 30 minutes ignoring us even though we are trying to make conversation until my DP gets up and says he is leaving. MIL starts crying and says ‘but we’ve done nothing wrong!’. DP says you are making me feel so uncomfortable, and he gets emotional and walks out. We don’t mind lots of cuddles, but we were trying to feed DC first and settle in which they could not understand.

I say to FIL I’m sorry if I didn’t pass him right away, but I’m feeding him and you know how I am feeling. He then shouts at me and says ‘he’s 16 weeks old now man I don’t understand how you’re feeling’ to which I respond if you can’t understand you can’t be in my life, and walk out. He then makes a comment about not seeing him as much as he would have liked, and I responded you were suppose to visit last week but did not drive over as it was raining (this was his excuse). We have not heard from them since. DP is unsure if he wants to keep contact, but I’m just looking for advice on this whole situation as it’s been quite distressing. I felt FIL totally dismissed my mental health and he made me feel that because it no longer suits them, he’s 16 weeks old and I should be back to normal. I also feel MIL is deluded to what’s actually going on and how over bearing she is. DP described them as vultures, nothing feels natural around them, we keep needing to set boundaries with them but nobody else. My own parents have been totally fine, however I haven’t seen them in a few weeks as they have been loaded with the cold and covid.

I think they wanted a different start with their GC, they wanted to watch him alone (MIL offered me and DP going for dinner when he was a few days old so she could baby sit. I said no, this was before he was born but I just knew I wanted to be alone and bond), see us more often, but that’s not been the case as me and DP are finding our feet and have struggled with the constant demand of people wanting to DC after his rocky start. It doesn’t help that I’ve naturally been avoiding them as I feel they have been quite over bearing, but we have tried to talk and they haven’t listened or they listen for a few days. For example telling MIL how anxious I am but then she kisses my child despite our wishes it seems 0-100 real quick.

I hope this all makes sense, me and DP are at a loss but he said he can no longer defend them which is a shame as it’s his parents. He has been totally supportive.

AIBU for being so upset I am considering NC?

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Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 18:09

Update: MIL text me asking if everything is ok as none of us have spoke for 2 weeks, and I text back how I have been feeling, ran the text through DP first to make sure it was ok.

MIL replied ‘I’m sorry you feel that way, maybe 1 day it will be sorted’

jesus!

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DooDooWap · 16/08/2022 19:38

YANBU! First of all, I'm so sorry that this is how you have started your journey into motherhood. Things will improve for sure, so take deep breaths and one step after another.

Secondly, lay down the law! It's your child, your mental health, your life and YOUR FAMILY. Discuss boundaries with your DH, be honest about your feelings and make sure to take his into account as well. Do not agree to do anything that makes you feel uncomfortable. Prioritise your mental health. Have your DH explain to them that you welcome them into your family/ DC's life as long as they respect your terms, and that said terms are non negotiable (obviously, he should say this nicely but firmly).

Some points that should be made clear to them are: You decide when to pass the baby, when to breastfeed, when to change him and/ if you want to do so privately, when to visit and just about everything else concerning your life and your child. You will not be guilted into doing anything "their way" (i.e. "Can I hold him?" "Please wait until we have settled in" "Sure, whenever you're ready"—THIS is AN appropriate interaction). You're dealing with enough as it is and have no spare energy to manage their drama. You are currently taking care of your mental health issues. Your husband is supporting you during this process because his family and you, his DW, are his priority, and you all expect everyone who plays a role in your life to at least show some understanding and compassion. Should they fail to be supportive or at least to not add more fuel to the fire, you will go NC until you see fit. It's not your problem how they manage their own anxieties and expectations, they need to tone that $hit down immediately. Do they have any concerns that they'd like to share? Now is the time. Address each of them calmly but making sure that the bottom line is clear: Being a GP does not entitle you to ANYTHING at all. GP make no demands—it's not their place. Selfless GP who are supportive of the new family unit and agreeable will naturally occupy their place as extended family.

It might sound harsh, but if they don't understand the meaning of healthy boundaries you might as well save yourself the trouble and cut off all ties now.

I am truly shocked that they would take it so badly that your DH's sibling and his wife are going to be godparents. He's still their son no matter what, but it sounds like they have very harsh feelings towards him? This is a red flag IMO. I would be wary if I were you. You do not want abusive people around your child.

Good luck and seriously, take care of yourself and your baby. 💐

cocktailclub · 16/08/2022 19:46

I think you should set boundaries but try and maintain a relationship by thinking they love your child but aren't expressing it the right way. There's an equal number of posts about in-laws being distant and having no interest in grandchildren.
Remember one day you will need a relationship with your in-laws.

DisforDarkChocolate · 16/08/2022 19:47

YANBU.

You sound like you have had a horrendously difficult start to motherhood, I can't imagine how hard it must have been and the impact on your mental health must have been awful. How on earth can your PIL not see this?

I'd be keeping well away, I bet they were equally unfeeling with you BIL too.

SnackSizeRaisin · 16/08/2022 19:54

Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 18:09

Update: MIL text me asking if everything is ok as none of us have spoke for 2 weeks, and I text back how I have been feeling, ran the text through DP first to make sure it was ok.

MIL replied ‘I’m sorry you feel that way, maybe 1 day it will be sorted’

jesus!

I wouldn't bother texting about how you're feeling... These things never come across the way you intend. Just say we are all fine thanks, just busy and tired , or similar. Don't give them any information just be pleasant and bland and see them occasionally. You can see if things improve with time. Once your child is a year or so they will have their own relationship with grandparents and things get less strained. However if things are toxic then there's no benefit to a relationship with grandparents just for the sake of it.

SnackSizeRaisin · 16/08/2022 19:55

cocktailclub · 16/08/2022 19:46

I think you should set boundaries but try and maintain a relationship by thinking they love your child but aren't expressing it the right way. There's an equal number of posts about in-laws being distant and having no interest in grandchildren.
Remember one day you will need a relationship with your in-laws.

Why would she need a relationship with in laws?

Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 19:58

@cocktailclub we had a really great relationship up until then and all this happening. I’ve explained multiple times about my PPD PPA and DP has explained too but I don’t think they really care, going by MILs text to me today.

@SnackSizeRaisin sorry, I meant to say she text me asking if I am ok with both her and FIL, like asking what the problem is. DP wanted me to explain so I did and she replied saying sorry you feel that way maybe one day it will be sorted. I don’t think they really care what’s happened.

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ittakes2 · 16/08/2022 20:34

What is PPD PPA please? thanks

AnotherEmma · 16/08/2022 20:37

Post Partum Depression and Anxiety

cocktailclub · 16/08/2022 21:10

@SnackSizeRaisin no sorry I meant one day OP may need a relationship with her dil or son's partner, one day OP may experience what it feels like to be seemingly rejected (not saying OP is rejecting them just saying they may perceive it like this).
There are a lot of posts on here about in-laws behaviour, sometimes I think posters could be a little more empathetic to their situation. Not defending how OPs in-laws are handling the situation just saying it might not be from a bad place.

Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 21:17

@cocktailclub oh god, I would never want them to feel rejected! I’ve tried to include MIL in everything, gender reveal, my dad paid for a meal for MIL, me and my own mum before DC was born (a small baby shower type thing). I used to text her all the time, I always had a good laugh with FIL. Things have just massively soured since birth of DC or just before I should say. I have a great relationship with my grand parents (my dads parents) so I really wanted DC to have a relationship with my partners parents, I genuinely believe there isn’t too much love to give a child.

however, I feel since DC has been born they haven’t really cared about how I have been feeling, I’ve seen a totally different side to them, it’s actually pretty upsetting. They probably do feel rejected and are delusional about their actions - which is why I explained to MIL today how I have been feeling when she text me and DP has explained too - they seem to not want to understand and are still being delusional, my DP doesn’t want a gram gesture apology he just wants an acknowledgment of what’s happened as he feels the whole situation is delusional. DP has explained to them that I’ve not wanting any visitors not just them, but they’re still not understanding or wanting to listen.

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Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 21:25

DP feels as though this keeps happening because he’s never been firm with them before. He told me he feels as though they’ve always treated him like a friend and he doesn’t feel as though they’ve ever been parents. He said he’s felt uncomfortable around his dad for a long time, for example they went out for Father’s Day and his dad was making him feel uncomfortable with how he spoke to the waiter. I don’t think it was massively bad, just a bit rude. DP gets on well with mum but feels she treats him like a friend, which is amazing, but doesn’t feel it’s ever been a parent-son relationship so he feels he needs to be firm. I guess he wants his own boundaries respected as well as mine. He said to his mum he didn’t understand post natal mental health at first but he researched it and would expect them to do the same. DP is also extremely affected by DCs start in life. DP told me that he wants his parents to care about me the way he does, and he’s hurt they haven’t.

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lavendermouse · 16/08/2022 21:28

We had major issues with my in-laws after our first baby was born. years we put up with the crap and multiple falling outs. until my DH went NC with them. The most peaceful ten years ever. DH recently got back in touch with them and their attitude has completely changed.
Given that we've now had five children and they haven't been able to be in their life because of the way they behaved, probably made them realise.

Don't let yourself be bought down by them. My mental health really declined because of the in-laws and I didn't enjoy my first time mum experience like I should of been able to. Put yourself and your family first. Good luck OP.

Mischance · 16/08/2022 21:44

I find these threads totally incomprehensible .... who are these parents and ILs who crowd and make demands on a new mother? .... who behave as if the baby is theirs?

I have 3 GC and know I have no rights over them in any way - nor do I want any, nor do any of my many friends in this same situation. I am there for them if they need me; I have had my turn caring for a new babies and loved it, but is their turn now. And there is joy in watching them have the pleasure of this wonderful new experience.

I have no idea how you can best handle this, but as they are DP's parents then he needs to step up - what a total pain for him, but he has to be the one who deals with it all.

I am sorry that parenthood has got off to a difficult start for you with a vulnerable baby and difficult ILs. Please try to just ignore it and concentrate on enjoying your LO.

Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 22:17

@Mischance thank you for your kind words! I think your right - what a pain for DP but I know whenever he is ready to speak with him, he will do the right thing.

what a nice outlook - watching them enjoy this new experience. Becoming a mum has brought me and my own mum closer together - she’s there when I need her but doesn’t over step anything. We didn’t have the best relationship growing up but it’s better now.

x

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Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 22:18

@lavendermouse oh I’m so sorry you went through this. Arguments and bad relationships are so bad for mental health. Im so glad they have changed and things are better ❤️

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MeridianB · 16/08/2022 22:21

Just RTFT. Wow. They sound dreadful. Totally self-absorbed.

Great posts and advice from @firsttimemom99, @DooDooWap and @Mischance

You don’t need to do or decide anything now. As others have said, put yourself, your health and your baby first and clear your mind of everything to do with the ILs. It’s great that your DP sees all this and protects you.

When you are both ready you can think more about what you want. But do it in your own time and don’t let the ILs guilt you into more visits. You may want to go LC or it may be NC. Do what’s best for you, not them.

Furmummy · 16/08/2022 22:49

YAnbu
Im in a very similar situation and it’s affecting my marriage. My mil is over the top and overbearing - my husband is ignoring it as I had a fall out with her recently and she is happy if she doesn’t see me as long as sees hubby and baby. Never asks how I am; only interested In getting hands on baby and taking over when I see her … I am at a loss right now .. just wanted to say I understand and am sorry your feeling the way you are xxz

Jane2711 · 16/08/2022 22:52

@Furmummy i am so so sorry you’re going through this. My DP tried to defend them, until he couldn’t. Remember you are the boss, you are in control of what you find a healthy relationship with your child, if she doesn’t respect that, then DP needs to step in to try fix it. DP needs to understand but it can be really really hard for them to understand. He probably need to see himself. Sending you love x

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Zott · 16/08/2022 23:02

I think you have had a very difficult start as a mother and are a little stressed and anxious. I would be completely the same. Your PIL should back off and give you and baby some space. They are pushing and only thinking of themselves. What is their rush, if you and your DP had 6 months to settle into being a family I am sure you would feel differently about your PIL. I would avoid seeing them and prioritise my own health, baby and DP. There is no law you have to see them, they don’t sound like they have anything positive to give.

when2become3 · 16/08/2022 23:19

YANBU.

Regardless of who they are, if they do not respect your wishes and boundaries then they should expect to be kept at a distance. So many grandparents don't like boundaries it's ridiculous.

They sound very over bearing and I don't blame you for how you are feeling. My MIL would do anything for our DC but she just lets us know she is there if we need anything and isn't suffocating which is exactly what we like.

They sound like spoiled brats and I can see why the brother doesn't see them.

Discuss it with your partner and decide together what you both think is best. But don't feel bad whatever you choose. If you keep them in your life they need to be told in no uncertain terms what the boundaries are and if they continue to act like children not getting their own way then they won't be seeing you again.

Take care of yourself Flowers

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