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Dan with late teen daughter.

40 replies

SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 05/08/2022 22:11

Good evening all, and thank you for A, taking the time to drop into my question, and B, for any comments and advise you maybe able to provide.

Not to waffle for too long, which I am known for, being fifty one now, last year I got divorced from my wife of thirty three years after a years separation, there wasn't any infidelity, not that I know about, she just upped and walked out having struggled with a certain time in her life (menopause), which both myself and our two daughters, who are now twenty four and nineteen, tried to understand, support and assist wherever possible, unfortunately, she wouldn't except that she was going through some significant changes, any changes in fact. Even through she started to suffer with unreasonable behavior and fits of rage, I'll add that it was never aimed at the kids, so I bore the brunt of it, suffering a broken nose twice, dislocated fingers, several broken ribs, and more knee's and kicks to the *uts that I'd care to mention.

Although the kids didn't physically suffer, they did in many other ways, especially when they heard or saw the result of said "incidents". The kids at this stage were saying to me that I/we should leave her because towards the end even they had had enough of the turmoil, but as I pointed out, this wasn't something of her own making, and if "mummy" had been suffering with cancer for example, would we leave her because of the things she was going through? Personally, this was the woman I met as a young lad, her being a young girl separated only by a couple of months in age, we dated, fell in love, married and suffered the highs and lows of what life, love and the universe can throw at you, but through everything I never thought my life would end at some stage in the future without her being in my arms.

Not to digress too much, the little bit of back story is pertinent because the girls decided to stay with me after the separation, and then two months after she moved out the eldest visited her and was manipulated her into moving in, the mum saying she was lonely etc. The daughter naturally thinking if she didn't, and because of her mindset, anything could happen. So off she went to stay with her.

In some respects I had hoped that them being together may have helped the wife see reason, for I loved her, still love her, will always love her, but the information I was getting back was that she didn't know what she wanted, therefore being separated helped, which in my mind translated to her then not having to deal with the issues in hand, for it became clear that her mind was thinking that being wrong, was her being a bad person, and this she couldn't reconcile.

Anyhow, trying my best to provide a stable environment for child number two, I set about trying to put a new home together, for it was just her and me, until the bf came along, which I didn't/don't really have any issues with, but if I was honest, I found him a bit wet, which came to fruition when they went out drinking several weeks ago, this was around the beginning of July. Anyhow, the rules are, that she doesn't drink too muck, doesn't take drinks or rides from strangers (either of them) and she MUST call if there is any problems. Anyhow, off they go with my best wishes and the reminder of the above rules, if it was colder months it would also include "have you a coat!" With that, I settle down for an evening of finishing a book, and maybe a tad of Netflix, I don't drink at home, never have, and even if I did I wouldn't when she was out just in case.

So. Come eleven at night I hear this noise in the back garden and go to investigate and find an extremely drunk young lady who was barely able to stand, she crawled over the threshold to the house, and after noting no BF with her, I sat her down on the sofa and made her a coffee and tried to talk, the long and the short of it all was they had argued and he had walked off and left her in town blindly drunk, I could feel the veins in my neck expanding, but she was home safe, now, and she became emotional, to the point of near hysterical, saying such things as he's going to kill himself, and I (she) needed to go and search for him, my reply being, you're not leaving the house in the state you are to walk/crawl around the streets, this in turned into a very heated argument, certainly from her side as I was maintaining that I wouldn't let her out, not that there was a lot I could do if she was determined.

Anyhow, after a very long couple of hours where what was said by her was just vile, and certainly reminiscent of her mums language, things settled enough for her to close the door to her room for an hour, me, staying downstairs just in case the bf arrived, or she needed anything, every now and again I would call and get a grunt in return. Then, to my surprise her door flies open and she storms down and says her bf is at his house and she's leaving, already having several bags packed. What could I do except help her with the bags into a cab, and hoping that sobriety the next day will bring some common sense, anyhow, she didn't/hasn't come back so I've been playing as light hearted as I can, and we've talked, met for lunch etc. but getting the feeling that it could turn into a log term arrangement.

I accept all kids leave home, but there was no warning to this, anyhow, onto my main point, sorry for the rambling. The second week of July she heads off on holiday for a week in the sun with the bf, which was booked well in advance, but my issue being, that when she was here she wasn't the tidiest of people, in fact, the two bedrooms she inhabited were often ground for conflict, food stuffs, drinks, snakes, spillages on the carpet, all added to animal crap (two rodents) that would spill out onto the floor. She took the pets with her. I don't like to say it but it was truly degusting.

Being that she left in such a rush, and she had only come back for stuff when she needed it, together with the holiday happening so closely, the rooms were worse that ever, so the doors were closed, but I did go in to open a window occasionally to let some fresh air in, which also included partly removing a mesh screen she had over windows to stop bugs from coming in.

Anyhow, before she left for the hold. I asked if she could sort the room before she left, this didn't happen, when she came back I asked several more times, but to no avail, but as I pointed out to her, the smell and the mess doesn't get better with time, but in her mind I think it was the case of "out of sight, out of mind."

Anyhow, I head into the room on Monday and because a window was open, some papers had blown off the window sill, it was then I noticed some melted chocolate with maggot crawling around it, also seeing them on the floor I got into action straight away, and one thing led to another, one food item, one drink can/bottle, or one maggot at a time, I spent nearly eight hours sorting both rooms, I say sorting, I mean picking up clothes, bagging general rubbish, and MOST CERTAINLY NOT, rummaging around, after all, and no matter how old she is, it's my little girls room, so I was mindful if you get my meaning.

At the end of a very long day, and not having really given it much thought, I looked at the six bags of rubbish and felt pretty good for all my effort and the overall outcome, having boxed clothes, picked all the makeup off the floor and stored it neatly into a plastic crate. I should also point out, I was/am allergic to her small fury friends, my eyes would swell, I'd get a sore throat, and get a rash pretty mush everywhere, so much of the time was pent with a face mask on, but we've all grown used to them in this day and age, so it didn't seem like a hardship, although the eyes suffered terribly.

At the end of the cleanup, I take a couple of photos of the rooms and send then together with a short message explaining about the maggots, and all the work put in whilst trying to make it look all nice, neat and clean for her, and saying that the only thing she had to do herself was the ensuite bathroom, and a pile of clothes in the corner of one of the rooms, this contained girly stuff like undergarments' PJ's and obviously worn clothes etc.

The reply wasn't what I was expecting. Firstly she said that there shouldn't have been maggots as the mesh should have stopped flies getting in, I hold my hands up, I did open the window and remove the mesh to a degree. But in reply, I pointed out that I should've been able to leave all the windows open without the mesh and the issue was all the food and scraps left laying around. This I thought she'd reason out and accept the point, by return, she said that "she can't get her head around that I had invaded her privacy so badly," End of subject.

That was four days ago, and not a peep from her, and I'm left feeling as I had on so many days with her mum, that I was only trying to help, and I had somehow got it completely wrong.

Hence my very long write up.......Have I?

Should I be the one to give way and try to reconcile, or do I trust my instinct and stay tough and make her try to see reason.

As mentioned before.....Your advice, and or comments would be appreciated.

Many thanks,

OP posts:
motherofcatsandbears · 06/08/2022 10:29

She doesn’t respect you at all. Does she work or ask you for money? I don’t think you were unreasonable in cleaning out her room due to the maggots from the food scraps she’d left behind. I don’t agree with other people saying you were prying as you didn’t go through her personal ‘stuff’.
She has seen how your wife treated you and thinks it’s ok to treat you the same, which, obviously, is totally unacceptable. Does she treat her BF like this?
Have you spoken to her sister and told her what’s happening?
When she comes back to you (and she will as I don’t believe her BF will stand for her nonsense and bad habits for too long), you need to lay down some ground rules (rent, contribute to food shopping and bills), keeping her room tidy and clean.
She WILL whinge, moan and say it’s unfair but, ultimately, if she wants a roof over her head, she can either get her own place or stop with you.
Stay strong for yourself - you’ve got loads of support from your fellow Mumsnetters 🫂🫂🫂

SpeckofDustUponMySoul · 06/08/2022 10:30

Not to waffle for too long, which I am known for...

10 hours later...😴

Softplayhooray · 06/08/2022 10:33

Only on Mumsnet could you be criticised for invading someone's privacy when that someone is your fully grown adult daughter who has left YOUR home in such a repellent disgusting state that there were maggots everywhere and you has to enter the room to actually clean it all up.

First OP you've come out of an abusive relationship, you need to set clear boundaries for your daughters, and possibly even consider there might be some mental health issues at play here - an adult shouldn't be so slovenly as to leave a room like she did, including animal crap and maggots. That and the binge drinking and anger suggests something is at play here, partly caused by her mum role modelling terrible behaviour.

You need to feel your house is your sanctuary, so can I suggest you enjoy it your way as much as you can, and to also remember as you've said yourself that adult children do leave at a similar age as she has, if not before, and that's not a bad thing. Sounds like she needs to grow up, first of all - her boyfriend won't accept her living in a pit and won't put up with that anger for long - and it might be a wake up call for her to have a bit of responsibility. It might be a good idea to get some help for her and you at some point too to try to deal with the violence and unsafe feelings of her/your last home.

Aworldofmyown · 06/08/2022 10:42

You asked her to clean it. She didn't clean it. Given the maggots and disgusting state of the room you were absolutely within your rights to clean it.
Privacy is fine but she needs to be respectful of your house.

liveforsummer · 06/08/2022 10:47

I disagree with posters who said you invaded her privacy. She moved out, it was no longer her rooms, you asked her many times to come back and clean. It was becoming a health hazard with maggots. Flies don't just come in windows they get in from other parts of the house and through small gaps . The state of the room could also have attracted mice. Don't think they can't get in just because a door is closed. You didn't touch anything that you thought seemed private but simply dealt with the rubbish. You seem like a nice guy and a very loving father but I think you need firmer boundaries whilst staying fair and understanding . Let her know that there's always a room for her there but whilst she's not living there she either has to come and deal with the rest of the mess or you will. See if you can find the right time to ask her how she is and that you are there for her. Aside from that I think you have to let her get on with it. Step back for now and let her find her feet.

Sunnyqueen · 06/08/2022 11:14

I think you sound lovely and it's your house you want it clean so if you want it cleaning that's your right 100% if she didn't want her privacy invaded she should have done it before or not let it get in such a state in the first place, shes a fully grown adult. A lot of us had kids and our own place and a job at her age and managed to keep everything clean and tidy. She sounds spoilt and a bit trampy honestly.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 06/08/2022 11:29

I'm all for giving teens and adult dc privacy but not if they are going to be so disgusting that their room ends up crawling with maggots. Fuck that shit

Danoo · 06/08/2022 11:33

She doesn't want to be with you anymore. Support that. Don't create some big narrative that she's menopausal and mad. Tell her that you get divorced, get that ball rolling and hopefully she can get a job to bring in some money. Be fair in the divorce. Your children are adults so neither of you should be feeling that points have been scored if they live with you, or ''only leave because their mum was lonely''. Perhaps that's why they stayed with you.

whynotwhatknot · 06/08/2022 11:37

just to clarify is she over 18 and she moved out?

you can do what you like with your own house-of course flies can still get in ven with mesh on the windows

youve been abused and i accept the dc are truamatised but no need for her to be disrepctful to you

HoppingPavlova · 06/08/2022 11:43

Missing the point entirely, why on earth would you remove mesh from a window? It doesn’t impede air flow. We have mesh as standard here or the house would be full of creepy crawlies and flies.

Back on point, you did absolutely nothing wrong.

maddening · 06/08/2022 11:44

I think the only thing missing was a warning, eg if you don't clean this up within 24 hours I am going to do it.

SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 06/08/2022 21:20

Thank you everyone for your comments and advice.

Being this is the first time I've posed a question on here I been pleasantly surprised with the fact that people take time out of their lives to share their thoughts, words of wisdom and support, all of which, be it nay or yay of how I've deal with things thus far, have been taken on board, but overall, I've and found the entire process thoroughly helpful.

OP posts:
badhappening · 06/08/2022 21:46

You weren't wrong at all.
You sound like a lovely caring father and I think she's being disrespectful and very unreasonable.
Not a lot of father's would have done what you did. You're a gooden.
Don't stress or beat yourself up. Your daughter should be!

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 06/08/2022 23:21

You sound like a good loving dad, so I hope you and your daughters soon rebuild your relationships. Your wife seems to have mental health problem — the domestic violence you suffered is not normal. Is she getting any kind of treatment, or counselling?

worriedatthistime · 06/08/2022 23:31

My teenagers live at home still and they have to keep their rooms tidyish , if there were food etc I would be in sorting it
At the end of the day none of us want to live in a house that may attracts maggots or rodents etc and mine respect the rules that their rooms have to be at leat clean or food etc

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