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Don't pay high energy prices protest

139 replies

Gmamaofboys13 · 01/08/2022 15:54

Drawing MN users attention to a campaign where 1 million people cancel their direct debits on the 1st of October as a protest against the high energy prices:

dontpay.uk/

OP posts:
Lubdeness · 01/08/2022 18:02

I used to work for an electricity company before the market opened and then after it did. You don't own the meter, it belongs to the local energy company and they can and will change it to a prepayment meter in a heartbeat. Even if it is inside your property and you refuse entry, they get a warrant, break in, change your locks and charge you for the privilege.

Yes the monthly direct debit is the preferred method of the company because previously bills were produced quarterly. You get the discount because they get the money every month, you benefit from having a set amount to pay rather than lower bills in summer and higher bills in winter. Now you can have your bills monthly, mine are.

The biggest push for setting customers up on DD was quarter 1 so Jan/Feb/Mar following most people feeling pretty skint after Christmas. Your bill is so many hundred but hey you don't have to pay it all now, set up a DD at X amount and spread that bill across the year.

Also we used to write to the neighbours of anyone who had left owing money. Someone always pissed off a neighbour and so tracing that debtor made it easier if we had some idea or an actual address of where they had gone. I distinctly remember one customer ringing gleefully to guess that their neighbour had left owing money. I wasn't able to confirm that but he was saying good, you robbing bastards, I hope he owed thousands to you. I asked him who do you think pays for that customer? Do you think the company says, it's okay, we'll just swallow that debt? Or do you think that we cover losses like that by charging everyone else a little bit more for their bills? Like shops do to cover theft. He immediately gave me his address.

I will continue to pay by DD because that works for me. If companies go bust there is just less competition and less fighting for customers.

Batshittery · 01/08/2022 18:02

This would be completely pointless.
Do you even know who 'dontpayuk' are OP?

Poyi · 01/08/2022 18:02

Swamping the Ombudsman services with fake complaints or complaints that aren't suited for the service sounds an awful idea to me tbh.

Snoozer11 · 01/08/2022 18:05

I've seen three people post this to their instagram stories this week. Every single one of them is currently on a holiday abroad.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 01/08/2022 18:05

apintortwo · 01/08/2022 16:59

I assume you are also protesting against climate change activists and the net zero agenda? Because most of this mess comes down to that

It really doesn't, but I'm interested to hear your logic on why that is the case in your world?

CapMarvel · 01/08/2022 18:05

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 01/08/2022 18:02

Are you feeling quite okay?

I wasn’t actually advocating either course of action I was just saying that the “ombudsman complaint protest” idea was much sensible than the “all let’s stop paying for our fuel” idea, should one fell the need to protest.

What OP is suggesting I’d a truly dreadful idea.

Besides, if people are paying the full capped price level (now? soon?), they are hardly likely to worry about prices being passed into them, are they? They’re already paying the maximum and they’re angry enough to want to protest (probably futile but I do sympathise).

Am I feeling quite ok?

FFS. Yeah, I'm obviously not feeling well because I'm pointing out the really obvious flaw in a scheme designed to increase the costs of product we are all totally dependent.

Jog on. Thanks.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 01/08/2022 18:05

Poyi · 01/08/2022 18:02

Swamping the Ombudsman services with fake complaints or complaints that aren't suited for the service sounds an awful idea to me tbh.

At least the ombudsman can triage their inbox and minimal harm done. Deliberately wrecking your own credit rating would take six years to resolve.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 01/08/2022 18:06

CapMarvel · 01/08/2022 18:05

Am I feeling quite ok?

FFS. Yeah, I'm obviously not feeling well because I'm pointing out the really obvious flaw in a scheme designed to increase the costs of product we are all totally dependent.

Jog on. Thanks.

So why are you picking a fight with me for what I said? Go and start a fight with whoever thought it was a fantastic idea.

felulageller · 01/08/2022 18:08

It's a great campaign

We need to be a less compliant society!

mogsrus · 01/08/2022 18:10

I am so with you on this. As usual, looking to a third party to bale is out.

IncompleteSenten · 01/08/2022 18:10

People need to understand the difference between the companies supplying us with power and the companies they buy the power from.

Shell posted record profits.

Shell don't supply people. Companies like Scottish power buy from them to supply us.

Shell profits were 10 billion for the last quarter.

I googled Scottish power and it seems their retail arm made a loss of 12 million in the first quarter.

Eon had a 15% drop in first quarter profits.

How many smaller companies have gone bust?

It's not the companies that bill us that need tackling. It's companies like shell with their record billions in profit.

But they don't give a shit and there is fuck all we can do to make them.

CapMarvel · 01/08/2022 18:12

You literally said it was a "more sensible idea" than not paying your bills

This, to anyone with a basic understanding of how language works, implies that you thing mass letter writing to the ombudsman has some degree of merit. Which it doesn't, at all, and then you got all patronising and snarky and I think we're up to date.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 01/08/2022 18:12

If lots of people are prepared to act, how about lobbying for renationalising energy companies?

sashagabadon · 01/08/2022 18:12

Stupid idea imo. Who do people think will pay their gas bill for them exactly?

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 01/08/2022 18:13

CapMarvel · 01/08/2022 18:12

You literally said it was a "more sensible idea" than not paying your bills

This, to anyone with a basic understanding of how language works, implies that you thing mass letter writing to the ombudsman has some degree of merit. Which it doesn't, at all, and then you got all patronising and snarky and I think we're up to date.

Most things are a more sensible idea than not paying your bills.

Prople are really angry and I don’t blame them. We’ll be lucky to get through the next two winters without riots, quite frankly.

If people want to protest peacefully without sabotaging themselves, that’s probably a win of sorts.

User639921 · 01/08/2022 18:14

I can't believe that people do this because someone on Twitter or Facebook says to

sashagabadon · 01/08/2022 18:18

User639921 · 01/08/2022 18:14

I can't believe that people do this because someone on Twitter or Facebook says to

Half the people suggesting this on social media probably don’t even pay a gas bill! It’s their parents or their landlord.

earsup · 01/08/2022 18:22

Well if you use EDF..their high uk prices subsidise the french customers as french owned for years so firstly ditch them....!!

Unphased · 01/08/2022 18:23

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd
how much do you think that will cost the U.K. tax payers?
we would be talking many billions to buy up all the shares,
I’m afraid it’s a case of sucking up and hoping that energy prices drop, or we give up on Ukraine and let putin have it.

IR230622 · 01/08/2022 18:23

Maybe I'm just being stupid, but would it not be better for people to actually protest, rather than protest and put themselves into debt? If you have nothing left to lose then yeah ok go for it and if you have to choose between paying and feeding your kids then absolutely feed your kids! But at least continue to pay what you used to. I know this doesn't solve things for those on pre pay meters. But I just can't see how getting into loads of debt, having bailiffs round and wrecking your credit score will help? You won't even be able to get a phone contract, change banks... there's huge repercussions.
Unfortunately crime will go up massively, there could be riots. It's going to be awful 😞

Studyafter40 · 01/08/2022 18:24

www.tiktok.com/@hellscape_yt/video/7126464205363875078?_t=8UTY5cLbyUf&_r=1

According to this man, opening a complaint with the financial ombudsman also prevents the energy company from chasing payment and destroying your credit rating in the process.

Unforgettablefire · 01/08/2022 18:56

I'm paying. I prepay and will just have to budget somehow. If I was paying by DD I'd still pay, once October comes and the prices rise anyone that doesn't pay will end up with massive debts.
I can't see the logic, you can't use utilities and just not pay. I might need a new carpet etc but I wouldn't expect it for free. We go shopping and the price rises are getting ridiculous but we can't just walk out without paying for what we want.

Unforgettablefire · 01/08/2022 19:02

earsup · 01/08/2022 18:22

Well if you use EDF..their high uk prices subsidise the french customers as french owned for years so firstly ditch them....!!

How? I'm with them and can't get away I can't get another company to take me. Aren't they all about the same prices now anyway?

Thelnebriati · 01/08/2022 19:15

There's a petition on the Petitions board to get VAT removed from household energy bills and its getting no traction whatsoever.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard

bellac11 · 01/08/2022 19:19

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 01/08/2022 16:37

It costs British Gas/the energy supplier £400 when a complaint against them is taken to the Ombudsman, whether they win a case or lose a case.

Taking a complaint to the Ombudsman, which you are within your absolute rights to do with any company regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (once you have made an initial complaint to the company), will simply cost THEM money. Even if the Ombudsman dismiss your complaint, the company will be out of pocket each time.

The more you know!

Which would promptly go onto our bills overall

Ive just got one my bills through, we are with Eon, we're paying 175 per month and we owe them 248.

The estimate for each month for the past 3 months is 110 per month just for electric. I need to do a meter reading obviously to check this but this is summertime, god knows what will happen in winter.

The gas is much cheaper but again its summer, the estimate was about 20 a month

I dont know if its possible to have no heating on at all during the winter and just have hot water bottles and heated throws

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