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To stay in hotel when visiting parents

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SofiaJessica4 · 28/07/2022 17:20

Recently had a difficult family trip and need some support/validation/advice....

My father retired this year and emigrated to the South of France where he has just bought a house.

Before moving he lived with us for two months, as he had sold his house in London and was waiting for the new house to be ready. Which went really well.

I've come out to France this week to help him with getting settled in - put furniture together, clean, unbox things. That was the agreement. I have minimal annual leave left so I've had to work remotely throughout. I also just got over Covid and am feeling pretty weak. My dad is sadly pretty incapable of doing any of this and I didn't want to leave it to overwhelm him.

Throughout the time I've been here he's been shouting at me, non stop. 'No, don't open those boxes, don't touch my things'. 'No, don't put that there, put it here' (scream). 'I wish you didn't come', etc. It's been extreme, and he's also been shouting at the animals and generally cursing all day long. He also has been waking up every hour of the night so neither of us have slept.

Yesterday on my lunch break I put his new bed together whilst he fussed over re-washing a coffee spillage off a sheet (that had already been dealt with, ie , faffing).

When I pointed out that he didn't say thank you for doing the bed, he shouted and told me he doesn't need to. When I ask him not to shout (calmly), he makes out he's the victim and I'm treating him badly.

My dad has high narcissistic traits and none of this is new to me, however usually Im able to leave if he's being abusive but it's not so easy overseas. I've booked an early ticket home, and won't be helping again.

In the last two years I've managed 100% two of his house moves which have been very intense, with him doing nothing or having a go at me. I've done it as I've known if I dont, he won't and it will be a disaster (not mine I know). That ends now anyway.

My question is what to do about the future. I don't want to visit his house again, but I feel guilty. Do I just stay in hotels? Visit nearby cities and invite him to meet me if he chooses to? I feel really guilty about all of it. My dad has lots of good traits and I love him but this trip has been a nightmare and I feel I'm somehow being dramatic or unreasonable.

Can anyone relate?

Thanks for listening if you've made it this far

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Aquamarine1029 · 28/07/2022 17:26

Good grief, unload the misplaced guilt already and never EVER be your father's doormat again. He is a horrible, abusive man, and none of his "good traits" would make up for the way he has treated you.

I would have left his home the moment he screamed at me, and you should have too. I would also never stay in his home again. You need a huge break from this man.

ChimChimeny · 28/07/2022 17:26

Gosh if you can, stop feeling guilty and stop seeing him altogether! If it was a friend treating you like thaT would you still be friends with them???

BlanketsBanned · 28/07/2022 17:31

I would leave now qn3d stay.in a hotel until your journey home. In the future I wouldn't make any plans to visit but if you are in France again then tell him you can meet up in a neutral place and stay in a hotel.

SofiaJessica4 · 28/07/2022 17:34

thank you

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eyeoresancerre · 28/07/2022 17:37

We started staying in hotels after 15 years of staying with parents. Parents hate it (they are very controlling) so there was a lot of resistance. However it is blooming wonderful and worth arsey parents. Do it and don't look back.

hoping2021 · 28/07/2022 17:38

I think you are right to create some boundaries. My father is also narcissistic and all his life has been very hedonistic, expects too much of everybody around him; and never does anything for himself unless absolutely forced too.
You're idea of a half way meeting sounds good for your next couple of trips, you can always reassess the dynamic with time if things change (but they rarely do with narcissistic parents).

bookish83 · 28/07/2022 17:39

Does he have an undiagnosed mental health condition or the start of dementia?
This is what stood out to me, especially if he has started this way in recent few years

SofiaJessica4 · 28/07/2022 17:43

@bookish83 yes he does. he I believe has narcissistic tendencies but he's also very anxious and has OCD, and other control issues. he also self medicates with cannabis which makes him paranoid. I think he's stressed with moving, and behaving worse than 'usual'.

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namechangeagaintwice · 28/07/2022 17:47

Did he ask you to come over and help or did you assume the duty was required?

SofiaJessica4 · 28/07/2022 17:49

@namechangeagaintwice he didn't ask. so there is that. he needs the help but doesn't want the help. except in the exact ways it suits him mind (like the bed). I came as I was worried he wouldn't be able to sort furniture etc alone (he doesn't know how to/ wouldn't do furniture assembly for example).

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namechangeagaintwice · 28/07/2022 17:52

@SofiaJessica4 his behaviour was not acceptable but perhaps he's feeling a little out of control of the situation with you being there.

Leave him to get on with I say, and he can find some local help if he needs to.

PattyMelt · 28/07/2022 17:56

I wouldn't be visiting again.

Beautiful3 · 28/07/2022 17:59

You never have to visit again. You can call him once a week to check up on him.

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2022 18:02

Stay in a hotel next time definitely

balalake · 28/07/2022 18:07

Hotels preferably a distance away so you can only visit for the day. If you choose to visit again.

Flowersintheattic57 · 28/07/2022 18:07

What would he have done if you hadn’t come to help though? Would he have just slept on the floor and eaten sandwiches from a packing box? He might of for a bit then he probably would have found some help.
Going forward, as you want to have a relationship with him, stay in a hotel and remove yourself whenever he’s being abusive.
He knows how to behave and he’s choosing not to around you.
I did this with my father after he greeted me on arrival after 24 hours of travel, by telling me I was the dullest of his many children.I turned round and walked out straight into a hotel. He was as nice as pie for the rest of the visit!

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/07/2022 18:38

"My question is what to do about the future. I don't want to visit his house again, but I feel guilty. Do I just stay in hotels? Visit nearby cities and invite him to meet me if he chooses to? I feel really guilty about all of it. My dad has lots of good traits and I love him but this trip has been a nightmare and I feel I'm somehow being dramatic or unreasonable."

You are being neither dramatic nor unreasonable, except for one thing - feeling guilty. That is totally unreasonable of you.

I would never visit his house. I might not visit his country! I would certainly feel under no obligation, given how rude he has been to you. I would also not be brushing his behaviour under the carpet by just muttering "narcissistic traits" under my breath and moving on. I feel you have done this too many times already - "My dad has high narcissistic traits and none of this is new to me, however usually Im able to leave if he's being abusive but it's not so easy overseas. I've booked an early ticket home, and won't be helping again."

I'd leave him to stew in his retirement. If he contacted me to chivvy me to come visit, I'd brush it off with 'too far to travel for a weekend, Dad, I don't get much annual leave and I want to use it to go to X, not France'. I'm of the opinion that some people retire abroad as a sort of 'prove you love my by travelling this long distance' thing. I expect your dad is such a one. I would not indulge that for a second.

At a push I'd meet him in Paris. That's as far as I'd go for him.

Irridescantshimmmer · 28/07/2022 18:52

Let the miserable git sort his own life out and let the future worry for its self.

After surviving the covids, you need to look after you.

Rutlandshire · 30/03/2024 07:45

Isnt this a question about diplomacy? And it can't be uncommon, finding a way forward that allows you to still see each other but where you can escape to your own space if needed?
As it was too far to go as a day trip my cousin always stayed in a hotel around the corner when she visited her elderly mum. she just told her mum she really wanted to see her, spend time with her but she also needed the option of retreating to her own space.
And a friend just did it as a 'surprise for your birthday' visit and never looked back. But in her case her parents used to get stressed about everything being perfect for her visit so was better all round.

rollerskatie · 30/03/2024 07:53

Rutlandshire · 30/03/2024 07:45

Isnt this a question about diplomacy? And it can't be uncommon, finding a way forward that allows you to still see each other but where you can escape to your own space if needed?
As it was too far to go as a day trip my cousin always stayed in a hotel around the corner when she visited her elderly mum. she just told her mum she really wanted to see her, spend time with her but she also needed the option of retreating to her own space.
And a friend just did it as a 'surprise for your birthday' visit and never looked back. But in her case her parents used to get stressed about everything being perfect for her visit so was better all round.

Why are you posting on an ancient thread?

RhymesWithTangerine · 30/03/2024 07:56

My question is about the future

In the future you get a lot of therapy, OP, that will empower you how not to take abuse.

TorroFerney · 30/03/2024 07:58

rollerskatie · 30/03/2024 07:53

Why are you posting on an ancient thread?

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