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Alcoholism - it's a long one

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Crookshanksgranger33 · 28/07/2022 08:28

Yesterday I had some exciting news to share with my mum. By the time I spoke to her on the phone around 4pm she was drunk. This is often the case. I feel like I have a tiny window per day between her finishing work and opening a bottle where I can actually have a conversation with her.

Back story is she's always been a drinker but since my dad died suddenly 4 years ago it's gotten out of control. She drinks daily, sometimes in the morning. I've noticed when she hasn't had a drink her hands shake. She tries to put this down to an accident she had that damaged her wrists but I'm not convinced. She isn't a particularly horrible drunk but she talks rubbish, slurs, sways and staggers, makes bizarre facial expressions and can be argumentative. She doesn't remember things she's said or done and spends a lot of time ringing people and talking rubbish to them. I've had friends of hers phone me and express concern.

I've had enough. I hate it. When I went into hospital to have my youngest she was looking after my elder two who are 10 and 12. She drank then. Luckily they are old enough to look after themselves and she is no harm to them anyway but their dad (my ex) picked them up from her and noticed. So then I get comments made straight after giving birth. I was livid.

She helped with childcare a lot with the older two when things weren't so bad but now I can't trust her with the baby which is so so sad. She's missing a relationship with her grandchildren because she's choosing to drink.

She came round about 11am the other day clearly having had a drink. I lost it. She got upset and said it's because she's lonely but how is drinking stopping that? If anything it makes her more lonely as she is isolating herself and alienating people when she could be out pursuing healthier hobbies and things that make her happier.

I understand she's grieving I really do. We all are. But I'm sick of dealing with a drunk and having the same conversations why it's not good for her. I've had my own issues with booze over the years but have come to realise that it's something that should be enjoyed in moderation now and then not something that is abused everyday at the expense of your health and relationships.

She denies she has a problem because she is able to function and go to work. She denies 'causing a scene' when she staggered into a family bbq and spoke rubbish to my in laws a few weeks back. She denies saying anything wrong to my ex when I was in hospital. She just doesn't realise how obvious her drunkenness is.

I'm worried and sad and angry, there is no al anon near to me so can't vent there. Dh is supportive but her behaviour irritates him. I'm just so done with it all but she's my mum and no contact isn't an option. Anyone resonate?

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Wolfiefan · 28/07/2022 08:30

It is an option. Whether you choose it or not is up to you.
Or never see her or speak to her if she’s obviously drunk.

CantaloupeMelon · 28/07/2022 08:35

In your OP you give a lot of good logical reasons about why your mum should stop drinking / drink less. But you have to accept that she is an addict, and these rational arguments just won't work. She's completely in denial and it doesn't sound like she's ready to make changes yet.

You may benefit from finding a support group for friends and family of alcoholics
www.al-anonuk.org.uk/

You don't have to go no contact. But perhaps step back a bit, reduce contact and remind yourself that it's only your mum who can change things.

Hugs OP.

mdh2020 · 28/07/2022 08:37

You can attend Al anon online. You can’t make your mother give up drinking. Only she can decide to do that.

Crookshanksgranger33 · 28/07/2022 08:38

I just don't think she will change, ever. Alcohol has always been such a big part of her life, she has always drank at stressful times but never to the extent she is doing now.

She literally only has me. There are no other siblings or family. I've done sad and hurt, mostly now I'm frustrated and angry.

If she's obviously drunk I won't spend time with her or bother having long phone conversations.

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KvotheTheBloodless · 28/07/2022 08:40

She sounds deeply unhappy and trying to self-medicate to make the feeling go away. Obviously drinking makes it worse, but it does offer temporary oblivion.

You didn't cause this, you can't change her, you can't control it. All you can do is take whatever steps you need to protect yourself now, and be there when she accepts she has a problem. AA might help, it's not for everyone but it's an instant community that might help with the loneliness and give her a sense of purpose.

Billybagpuss · 28/07/2022 08:44

Is she driving to work that’s more of an urgent issue.

Wolfiefan · 28/07/2022 08:45

Unfortunately she doesn’t have only you. She mainly has a relationship with alcohol. You come a poor second to her.
Do what you have to do to protect yourself. Even if that means having little or no contact.

HikingforScenery · 28/07/2022 08:53

Yes she’s an adult and can make her own decisions.
However she opened up to you about being lonely and I feel like you’ve just brushed that off. Can you help her at all?

EllieRosesMammy · 28/07/2022 08:57

My best friends sister is an alcoholic, has been for about 7 years now. Her children have been taken off her, her family basically disown her at this point, she's always getting herself into dangerous situations and in trouble and she STILL can't admit she has a problem/is an alcoholic. Until your mum actually comes to terms with it and takes some responsibility there's no chance of helping her unfortunately. Admitting it is the first step. I'd distance myself and the children from her, maybe she will get the message then x

Sunnysideup · 28/07/2022 09:00

Op this isn’t really a choice she’s making, she’s an alcoholic. If she’s clearly been drinking by late morning she’s in a very bad way.

the thing here is unless she’s willing to admit she’s an alcoholic, and she’s not right now,there is little you can do. It’s up to you if you wish to go no contact, but just don’t leave the kids there and invite her only when appropriate and accept she is an alcoholic and she will be drunk.

Crookshanksgranger33 · 28/07/2022 09:06

HikingforScenery · 28/07/2022 08:53

Yes she’s an adult and can make her own decisions.
However she opened up to you about being lonely and I feel like you’ve just brushed that off. Can you help her at all?

I didn't brush it off. I try to involve her in many things with my own family. She comes on holiday with us, she's often invited for meals and bbqs. But quite often she will drink her way through them and it becomes a problem.

I must admit I have stopped bothering so much because it's not pleasant being around her when she's drunk which is more and more often these days. Sometimes she'll be invited to things and actually chooses to stay home and drink alone too.

I have my own kids and husband. My mum is always welcome but I can't be solely responsible for her life too. She has friends, she could get out there more with them if she chose to. She could start a hobby or join a group, but she doesn't want to. She prefers to drink alone.

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Thepeopleversuswork · 28/07/2022 09:24

OP as the child of an alcoholic (not as bad as you mum), I think you need to keep these things in mind:

  • you can’t control her drinking and the only person who can tackle it is her. Bargaining, nagging and pleading will achieve nothing. You have to decouple yourself from it for your sanity. Be clear that you love her and are there for her but don’t try to change this.
  • but you can control your reaction to it and you can instil boundaries. I had an iron rule with my dad that I would not be in a room with him if he went beyond a second drink. I would just walk out of a room if he poured a third glass of wine. He knew what I was doing and he knew the price of a relationship with me was that he had to toe that line in my presence.
I second also talking to Al Anon. It helped me a huge amount.
ButtonSister · 28/07/2022 09:34

@Thepeopleversuswork has said it for me. Also agree, it's worth speaking to Al Anon and also to DrugFam, who were a lifeline for me at a very dark time. "Detaching with love' is a good strategy if the alcoholic refuses to seek help.
Finally I found this book very helpful, Understanding and Helping an Addict by David Proulx.

Staynow · 28/07/2022 09:37

It sounds like she needs someone to talk to to help her deal with your dad's death. Do you think that might help a bit? There's not much you can do about the drinking if she refuses to see it as a problem but getting some counselling for your dads death might also help her see that she has a problem with drinking. If she would go to grief counselling then I'd try to get that for her. Also are there al anon groups online? I really think you need some support and advice on how best to handle things too.

Crookshanksgranger33 · 28/07/2022 11:48

She has actually had grief counselling which only recently ended. If anything that seemed to make her drink more as she'd be so wrung out and emotional after the sessions that she'd immediately have a drink.

I have looked into al anon but there are no groups near me whatsoever which is disappointing. I think sometimes I just need to vent about it. I do realise I can't control or stop this behaviour, it has to come from her. But it all feels so unfair. We don't have a lot of family, I've already lost my dad and now I don't feel like I can rely on my mum either. It's a worrying and frustrating time.

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MerlinsButler · 28/07/2022 11:56

@Crookshanksgranger33 I just wanted to say that you can attend Al-Anon online - they have lots of useful info for families, which may be an option for you. You sound very caring but you also need to look after yourself.

Your mum needs to be the one to realise there is an issue but in the meantime you can provide support re her grief and loneliness but only at a level you are comfortable with.

FOJN · 28/07/2022 12:11

I have looked into al anon but there are no groups near me whatsoever which is disappointing. I think sometimes I just need to vent about it.

As someone mentioned up thread there are still some online Al anon meetings, you could call the helpline number to find out how to go about accessing those.

Whilst it can be helpful to vent its probably more usefully to enforce boundaries to reduce the impact of your mums drinking on you. You are understandably angry and resentful but that will not change your mums drinking or help you. As others have pointed out your mum will only address her drinking when she's ready, your anger will not speed that process up because believe it or not she is harming herself more than you and she still hasn't stopped. Rather than asking what you can do to make her change you should ask, "what do I need to do to deal with the situation whilst looking after myself." You cannot control your mum but you can decide how you respond to her.

You say that going no contact isn't an option when what you mean its an option you refuse to consider. I'm not pointing this out to be snarky but sometimes it helps to reframe a situation to empower ourselves. We all have choices even if we don't like the range of options available to us.

UxbridgeVoteBJOut · 28/07/2022 17:21

Online AlAnon, oP. It's about how to help you keep your sanity.

pointythings · 28/07/2022 17:51

thepeopleversuswork has nailed it. You can't stop your mum from drinking, you cain change how you respond to her. She knows you are worried about her and she isn't ready to get sober, so all you can do is put boundaries in place: don't talk to her when she's drunk, if you are with her and she has more than x drinks, you leave, you do not let her into the house when she is drunk, if you visit with the kids and she is drunk you leave at once.

I feel for you. I lost my own mother to alcohol (identical situation, my dad died and she dove into the bottle). It's the hardest thing.

If she's drink driving, report her. My Dsis and I did that and she got her license taken away and her car impounded.

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