that people can watch inapproiate music videos infront of my dcs at the library?

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when i complained in writing they claimed there is a firewall which 'should ensure any potential harmfull websites are not available'. They also say that the childrens' library is set apart from the rest of the library'

But the library is not big and my dc's will wonder out of the tiny unenclosed children's area. And also, the library staff on the front desk admitted to me that music videos wouldn't be covered by a firewall.

I am very that the library is somewhere i am not comfortable taking my children

i didnt say you cant say im unreasonable. far from it. i did say you dont need to do it sarcastically!

and betcha my tongue goes further than yours!

nope, prob not very liberal.

though liberal is subjective

interestingly enough they asked if i minded the dcs listening to a story about christmas.

heck, no, of course i dont mind them hearing about christmas (we are obviously not christian). But i do mind them watching something that is rated inappropiate for them

And are you going for the big 5?

huh?

Ah! I meant you made four posts on the trot without interruption ... which, as you can understand, is a miracle in a room full of women.

I was just wondering if you could make it to five

like what>? rap videos have fuck all on those monotone dance videos (with trumpets)

i call it pop porn - i think you should ask the library services for a copy of its official complaints policy and ask the head of services whee you would go if you are not happy with that response - one assumes the local council complaints proceedure? then watch him shit himself.

i think some videos with "ahhhhhhh push it it ...work it work it ...i'm perfect here not appropriate in a library

or this trumpet porn

Well FFS, the library is offering a service to adults as well as children, and there are many things an adult might be looking at on a computer screen that wouldn't be terribly suitable for sensitive children, but which an adult has every right to look at. Some adults use library internet access because they have no access at home and are on a low income - and they need to look at (for instance) medical sites, because they are studying medicine - on a low income without home net access - and a photograph of, say, an appendectomy taking place would be fairly distressing to someone who wasn't a medical student and was upset by the sight of blood. Libraries are full of books which can contain some really adult ideas and maybe even the odd picture that would upset a young child. DO you really think that a public library should contain nothing beyond the eomotional and pyschological capacity of a 7 year old to process? Are you so messed up that you make your DCs believe that a 3 second glimpse of someone dancing while wearing a bikini will send them straight to hell?

I have a few problems with this

In our local library to book internet time you have to use your ticket. So if a child wants to book the computer and does so using their childs ticket then their computer will not let them access inappropriate material. But the librarian openly admitted to me that most of the children know their parents ticket numbers and use them instead so that they can access older sites.

Some of the children in our library are 7/8 yrs old, unaccompanied and accessing sites such as facebook and bebo, using youtube and other sites which I would not consider ok for their age groups. It seems their parents don't have a say in this as they share numbers from adults tickets. The librarian told me that most of the time she feels like a childminder

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIlba4zKeg

a bit of porn equit one could argue at least - still in a library?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw_pSs1oqIk unlike this which tries with an apologetic totoise snail mail man at the end as a nod to "men are subservient too in this video"

hardly "the secretary" is it

certainly not for the library

custardo i think we are alone in thinking it is unappropiate. But thanks for your company.

flaunt is on some of the time in my house along with kerrang and others - mine are teenagers and its my house

if i had younger children i wouldnt like it

i wouldnt like it in a public place - now bracing if ou are very serious about this you could go on oogle and research the air time for these videos - i am prettysure there is probably a 9 or 10pm watershed.

and if that is the case on telly - then why can any fucker access them from the library via you tube at 11am?

complain - write to your local paper too

am not having much luck googling.

Custardo, the first film is hardly Double Anal Gangbang for Preteens, being a music video without even a female nipple, and the second one I couldn't access without subscribing to Youtube and stating I was over 18. There was a recent MN thread about an advert for the London Dungeon which features a scary face suddenly popping up on the screen and baying at the viewer, something which is not prohibited to children (after all, there's no pubes in it) but would probably upset the majority of 7-8 year olds far more than an equallybreif glimpse of someone's camel toe in silk hotpants.

A couple of points:

as has been said, dancing in a suggestive manner is something adults understand- not children. Not like pictures of a skeleton, which can really terrify a sensitive child: if I had had my way as a youngster, none of the infant biology or archaeology books would have been allowed, let alone any books with monsters in them.

if they were being supervised by you in the library, they would only have got the briefest of glimpses, presumably, before heralded off to something more educational? Children often need longer to actually connect to what is going on, so this may well have passed them by.

if they were actually staring at somebody else's computer screen behind their back, you should haul them up about their manners or marshal them away (depending on age); this, like reading over somebody's shoulder, is rude.

if your los were showing an excessive interest, sarky comments from their mum will show what a suitable reaction is

if only pg films are to be allowed, then that will mean that by the time they are doing their A-levels they won't be able to pop into the library to check out productions of Hamlet and Macbeth. By which time you will probably be complaining bitterly about the selfishness of other parents who have taken away this invaluable resource.

My ds is horrified by the thought of wars and of people deliberately hurting each other, and in my opinion this is far more disgusting and corrupting than dancing in a suggestive manner- but I can't forbid these images to be shown around him. All I can do to help him is to say 'come along, we don't have to watch this'.

i'm trying to think of what the latest video is i dont like. its very suggest, just head shots to start with, with lots of grimacing faces, like they are bonking, but i think at the end its about weight lifting and exercise. the first time i saw it i was very errrrrrrrr shocked, and didnt want the kids seeing it. even if they dont get the suggestive stuff idont think they should watch it.

Whoever is monitoring computer use should be able to see what a person is looking at at any one time, my DH (a library assistant) can send them a message that pops up on their screen and has no qualms about kicking someone off if they don't follow the t&c they sign when they go on the comps.

There may be a firewall but DH is always finding sites that people are able to get on that are inappropriate - he just reports them to IT and they are blocked, the users also get a note on their library account.

Just ask it to be blocked!

To be fair to the library, no firewall is 100% perfect and both site owners and browsers will put a certain amount of effort into getting round censorship. But you're not even talking about actual porn: AFAIK they are not yet into showing cumshots on MTV. I think you should get a life as there are far more important things to worry about than your DC catching a brief glimpse of music video over someone else's shoulder.

Here here!

I am totally shocked with your complacency with suggestive music videos. I think they play a huge role in sexualization and objectification of women in the modern culture. It is because of the media (especially music and film industry) teenagers are getting sexually active earlier than ever and young woman see breast enlargement as a good career choice.

Lookism, sexism, cultural stereotypes of men and women are prelevant in the media. The fact that adults (mostly men ) want to watch these videos doesn?t mean they should be shown. The fact that society does or doesn?t approve of something doesn?t make it is automatically good or bad. Not such a long time ago society didn?t approve of women going back to work after having children or divorcing when they were unhappy in their marriage.

I am usually shocked by the sexual lyrics and scenes on the MTV or similar channels.
You will usually see open mouthed and moaning women in low-cut dresses and high black boots writhing around the male singer. Their breasts and bottoms are photographed more frequently than their faces. I have a daughter and I don?t want her to see this shit while we are in a music shop or a library

Women have been working and having children since the year dot. Women (who could afford it) have been divorcing their husbands since the year dot. Teenagers were openly fucking in hedgerows pre, during and post the industrial revolution ... and if the the Victorians had invented breast implants, believe me, many women would have had them.

People don't intrinsically change over the course of generations; merely the toys they get to play with. You cannot seriously blame teenage sexuality on MTV. I lost my virginity at fourteen, but I'm not blaming Pan's People

In answer to the OP, would it be an acceptable compromise to ask the library whether they can change the monitors around so that they are not in view of anyone .. child or otherwise, who might be passing?