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To think schools should shut in 30' heat

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dragonflyglaze · 12/07/2022 22:49

I'm a TA in an Infant School in the South East, we break up next Thurs. This week has been tough, the little ones can't cope in the heat and as much as we try and keep them indoors, hydrated etc some of them are just not coping. Never mind the staff who are doing their best to support the children whilst slowly melting.
Next week we are forecast to hit 30' and there's an extreme weather warning. We have to close if its too cold e.g. heating not working, or too windy. I can't understand why there's no rule for extreme heat.

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EssexSerpent · 13/07/2022 00:09

I am also SE. Was 32 yesterday, 30 today, forecast 36/37 on Mon which is a concern.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 13/07/2022 00:11

It’s not just ‘a bit of heat’ as one poster has said. We are under an Amber Met Office warning for Sunday & Monday (and I strongly believe this will be extended to Tuesday looking at the current models). There is also the possibility of 41°C (an outlier, but never seen on forecast models for the UK).

This isn’t scaremongering, this is concerning. All of the forecasting forums I belong to are rattled by the models.

Lots of UK schools are either giant Victorian monoliths with many floors & little green space in urban areas, others are 60s designed glass boxes that are no better than greenhouses. With windows that are latched (to prevent things, and kids, being dropped out of them) only opening an inch, and no air conditioning.

And how many schools have kept their rolling fields to send the kids out into for break time, or have most (as in my area) sold the land to build housing on to make up for education budget deficits?

The UK has a temperate, maritime climate. We don’t have the infrastructure that a country used to high temperatures builds into their schools. By virtue of our climate, it’s humid (even today we’ve had drizzle here in the south east). High humidity and high temperatures together are dangerous to vulnerable people. Hence the Meto warnings!

We cannot deny climate change. The UK will become hotter. Do we have the money in our education budgets to retro fit aircon? Of course we don’t (unless we all fancy a rise in taxation to cover it).

I’ve taught in many different schools, Victorian & modern. 30 kids in a stiflingly hot classroom is not conducive to any learning.

But then, our homes are designed for wet & cold weather. We’re all bloody sweltering.

Send your kids to school with hats, water bottles and plenty of sunscreen (wetting a hat is a great idea). I’d suggest the same for kids at home if you decide to keep them off.

But please be under no illusions, this situation is only going to get worse unless we spend serious money on infrastructure in schools to enable continuity of learning. (And don’t even get me started on bloody non existent winter infrastructure that means we grind to a halt when we get an inch of slush on the roads or greedy shareholders & corporations making eye watering profits from energy when we’ll have people becoming seriously ill from cold weather because they can’t afford to both heat and eat).

Nat6999 · 13/07/2022 00:11

Why can't schools open earlier, maybe 7.30am, cut lunch & breaks & then finish say 1.00pn? I know my school did this one winter when they couldn't get deliveries of oil for the boiler to conserve stocks. Let's face it they break up at the end of next week, 8 shorter school days wouldn't hurt them. My neice called on her way home from school & they hadn't even been allowed to take their blazers off or remove their ties & unbutton the top button of their shirts, she had migraine, felt sick & was so hot she was bright red.

OverTheRubicon · 13/07/2022 00:13

I think we should shift summer holidays a few weeks earlier. Mid July is generally far hotter than late August - and the first term is often too long anyway, a creative recutting of the school year could work all round.

Thwomp · 13/07/2022 00:13

We had school closures in Canada last year, but that was with temperatures around and above 40.

30 seems a bit of a low threshold.

OverTheRubicon · 13/07/2022 00:15

Air conditioning shouldn't need to be the answer though, unless/until temperatures heat up a lot. Incredibly expensive to retrofit and to run, and many of us will have grown up on hot countries without it - just having proper blinds, opening windows (with screens if needed) and ceiling fans makes a huge difference on all but the hottest days.

Threetulips · 13/07/2022 00:16

Bit it’s different with 30 hot bodies in a classroom clothes in polyester!

No steppe tops and shorts or loose tshirts.

Honestly the heat is unbelievable.

etulosba · 13/07/2022 00:16

We could look back to 1976 and see how they coped then. The heatwave started two weeks earlier than this one.

yourmysafespace · 13/07/2022 00:17

Kids already on summer hoildays here in Scotland. Otherwise would've been tempted to keep um off

Prettybubblesintheair · 13/07/2022 00:17

Thwomp · 13/07/2022 00:13

We had school closures in Canada last year, but that was with temperatures around and above 40.

30 seems a bit of a low threshold.

No one is suggesting 30 is the threshold. We’re concerned about the 35/36/37 degrees we’re looking at on Sunday Monday Tuesday.

IGotItInTheSales · 13/07/2022 00:19

how can schools afford to run air con with rising fuel costs?

Toddlerteaplease · 13/07/2022 00:20

I'm nurse, the heat on the ward is unbearable. We have loads of staff off with Covid. Shutting schools would be a disaster on top of that. So no they should not close

IGotItInTheSales · 13/07/2022 00:21

etulosba · 13/07/2022 00:16

We could look back to 1976 and see how they coped then. The heatwave started two weeks earlier than this one.

i remember that.....and the words 'air con' were not in our vocabulary

we did have fully opening windows though...and nobody ever fell out of them

Lovemypeaceandquiet · 13/07/2022 00:27

Honestly, kids will be fine - as long as you keep them hydrated by printing them to have a drink every so often. Just as you’d do at home.

People must not panic so easily.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/07/2022 00:27

Schools are not built to be cool. Flat black roofs, windows that hardly open. Inadequate blinds, shit insulation.

Schools are not designed for this weather as it was rare when they were built.

Lovemypeaceandquiet · 13/07/2022 00:27

By prompting*

LilyMarshall · 13/07/2022 00:28

BlackeyedSusan · 13/07/2022 00:27

Schools are not built to be cool. Flat black roofs, windows that hardly open. Inadequate blinds, shit insulation.

Schools are not designed for this weather as it was rare when they were built.

Theyre not built to be warm
in winter either.

Lovemypeaceandquiet · 13/07/2022 00:30

BlackeyedSusan · 13/07/2022 00:27

Schools are not built to be cool. Flat black roofs, windows that hardly open. Inadequate blinds, shit insulation.

Schools are not designed for this weather as it was rare when they were built.

Most of buildings and public transport in the UK aren’t. However, it’s only couple of weeks a year really.

MrsOwainGlyndŵr · 13/07/2022 00:39

Why can't schools open earlier, maybe 7.30am, cut lunch & breaks & then finish say 1.00pn?

And where do you think the children are going to go at 1pm? Will childminders do the extra 2 hours for free? Or will parents have to take time off work?

supersonicspider · 13/07/2022 01:16

Louise0701 · 12/07/2022 23:07

Am I being stupid here? Do schools not all have air con?

No air con!!

WisteriaLodge · 13/07/2022 01:31

It's looking like it's going to be at least 39c down South on Monday, some reports are saying it could reach 42c. I'm also sick of the same argument trotted out, "there are other countries that are hotter..blah blah blah" maybe, but the HUMIDITY in this country is off the scale and our buildings are not built for this type of heat, my DH has just come back from Las Vegas and said that it was 41c over there but the heat combined with the humidity in the UK he said it actually feels worse here than the Nevada desert.

Ylvamoon · 13/07/2022 01:47

No need to close schools... I attended school at 30-35°C + and live to tell the tale!
It's not pleasant, granted but I think we all need to get used to the heat: climate change is real.
My DC secondly school has suspended uniform policy and allow kids to wear PE kit or plain dark shorts & light colour T-shirt- as long ad It's not branded.

Rachie1973 · 13/07/2022 01:55

Neverendingdust · 12/07/2022 23:18

Secondary’s are the worst making them keep their blazers/ jumpers on. Madness.

I told mine to dress ‘appropriately’ and I would deal with the school. I mean remove blazer, sweater etc if over hot b

we want to form independent adults but won’t even let them decide for themselves when it’s too hot?? Ridiculous

UndertheCedartree · 13/07/2022 02:00

I think it depends on the school set up. At my DD's school EY and KS1 all have potential free flow to the outside with water play etc. My DD is in KS2 and they have been outside for most of the day. They had an extra P.E lesson where they could choose what to do, French & Music happened outside and they spent time in the cool of the woodland area. All DC had an ice lolly at lunchtime. My DD had a great day!

UndertheCedartree · 13/07/2022 02:04

etulosba · 13/07/2022 00:16

We could look back to 1976 and see how they coped then. The heatwave started two weeks earlier than this one.

Apparently the seaside cafes stayed open to the early hours and everyone stayed up enjoying themselves according to my relatives!

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