To want support to get politicians in that will support women.

[chaosmaker]

The green party has upcoming elections to vote for a deputy leader. Shahrar Ali is standing and has previously been in trouble with the party for his GC views. This is the relevant part of his statement for standing.

I stand for the human rights of all, equally.
I wouldn't have believed it, had you said ten years ago the party would now be embroiled in
conflict around biological sex and gender identity. Difficult conversations need to be had, of
policy and politics.
Dogmatism, which brooks no dissent, endangers the quality of our decision-making and
deprives us of sources of intellectual and creative inspiration.
Women are crying out for a politician who can speak plainly on the importance of sex-based
rights: whether protecting basic dignities in prisons or hospital wards, or fairness in sport.
Children need to be protected, too, from undue medical risk such as that being investigated
by the Cass review.
Be reminded of the attempt to expel signatories of a women’s declaration in Spring 2022. By
electing me to adequately represent viewpoint diversity, you will be promoting party unity
not disharmony.

Am I reasonable to suggest that people would join the party in order to get more politicians in that would support women who feel they are not represented? I often see that people won't vote for parties that 'don't know what a woman is' and we're left with the current shower with no hope of sanity in our politics.

I personally believe people who only vote on one issue, ignoring the countless other negatives of a particular party are extraordinarily short sighted (and a bit thick)

How anyone who cares about women can vote for the tories baffles me, the 'at least they know what a woman is' line is quite tiring for most.

Agree. Anyone who would vote Conservative (not "not Labour" but specificially Tory) purely because of sex and gender policies needs to have a good old look around at the shitshow we are in. Doesn't matter if you have a penis or not when there's a 14-hour wait for an ambulance and you're having a heart attack on the kitchen floor, as happened to my friend's relative this week.

This is it. Generally the Green party have great policies and came out top policy wise on voteforpolicies (.) org (.) uk it gave all the policies without naming which party they had come from. They've never been able to break through partly because green policies have only recently moved into the mainstream conversation and partly because of our undemocratic voting system. He isn't standing on one issue but given that this is the reason many say they wouldn't vote Green (on this site, anyway) I thought it would be worth a mention.

Completely agree. Words are cheap. Watch how the Tories damage women with their policies and suddenly “knowing what a woman is” doesn’t seem so great.

Hmm you're being discussed quite a lot on the mumsnet subreddit @alphapie wonder what your agenda is?

Agenda?

You have to have an agenda to post on MN for years now huh

I have always wondered what holds more left leaning voters back from voting green, I think it will be interesting to see how things go after the statement you have posted.

Tbh I wouldn't vote for any MP that doesn't believe TWAW, but understand for many on MN this news of a more 'liberal' party that aligns with their GC views might offer them an alternative if that's the issue they want to vote on

@MistyFuckingQuigley

What does that mean please?

Where is this?

I'd also be keen to know, as I can't see anything on active for it

I would definitely vote Green again if they came to their senses and declared themselves defenders of women's sex-based rights, as per the law of the land.

It's not a single issue. There is an environmental impact to teenagers being put on medication for life. Climate change is going to affect women, especially poorer ones, the most. How do we collect data on that if men can identify as women? How can you make an evidence-based claim to climate deniers if you pretend biology isn't real, or is trumped by special feelings?

It absolutely is a single issue.

There already is a party: the Women’s Equality Party. They just don’t win anything.

Because thankfully the MN FWR view isn't as mainstream as many on here like to think it is

The problem with hitching your voting wagon to a single issue is what if a candidate lies to get your vote ? Or has that never happened ?

Take the incumbent government, for example (I'll leave it to you to suggest as an example of what). To a person they all promised (and wrote it down in their manifesto) that they wouldn't raise taxes.

So unless you have something no one else has - which is a way of holding these corrupt, venal. self serving parasites to account - you can kindly piss off telling me what candidates believe in what. As we should all know by now, the only thing any political candidate believes in is ascending to power over us. All else is frippery of the highest water.

If by chance anyone who reads this is a Conservative Party member, when you have a vote and there are local hustings, please ask about protection of women. Also about making sure women are not those who suffer most from the plans the candidates have.

Any of the candidates will be the least worst option and be better than Mr Johnson, but let's have the least worst option.

My fear is that conservative voters don't understand how horrendous policies put in place for others do actually impact them too. I cannot see any valid reason why the tories would get votes given the last 12 years of their government and how much hasn't been tackled in that time or has worsened. Aside that is from all the lying, covering up and our money they've written off due to fraud.

My fear is that conservative voters don't understand how horrendous policies put in place for others do actually impact them too

Oh they do. The reason they vote Tory is just to ensure others have it worse.